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    Lady in PA who crossed into NJ not going to be convicted of a crime

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...rles-c-w-cooke

    The prosecutor in Atlantic County has relented, and Shaneen Allen will be admitted into a pre-trial intervention (PTI) program. In consequence, she will avoid jail time, a felony conviction, and the destruction of her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...rles-c-w-cooke

    The prosecutor in Atlantic County has relented, and Shaneen Allen will be admitted into a pre-trial intervention (PTI) program. In consequence, she will avoid jail time, a felony conviction, and the destruction of her life.
    See. The system is completely broken.
    "The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

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    Yep its broken.

    It should have never got that far. No victim no crime. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed and all that.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I think that she accepted the bargain. Its not something that can be forced upon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Yep its broken.

    It should have never got that far. No victim no crime. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed and all that.
    +1

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    Best of bad outcomes in NJ? I don't think she had a better option at this point.

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    What kind of example will this set for future generations?

    It was bad enough that football jock got all that grief for knocking out his girlfriend (which shouldn't have been a big deal, seeing as she should have just gotten up after taking the beating from a hulking athlete) but now this mother who armed herself to protect herself and her children gets let go without being made into a felon? What is this country coming to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    See. The system is completely broken.
    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Yep its broken.

    It should have never got that far. No victim no crime. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed and all that.
    SVG plants another one on Primus. It should NEVER have gotten as far as it did. Does anyone think for a moment that the young woman hasn't been burdened with thousands of dollars in legal fees for this 'crime without a victim'?

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    So what charge did she plea to? Did she plead no contest to the original charge and get rewarded with PTI, meaning she will still have a felony for a short time but will be out $1,000s to get it expunged, or what? PTI is not cheap.
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    From my understanding, over 100k was raised for her defense team. Hopefully now she can move on with her life and continue to exercise her right to defend herself and her family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    From my understanding, over 100k was raised for her defense team. Hopefully now she can move on with her life and continue to exercise her right to defend herself and her family.

    Regards.

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    100K, she has enough cash to upgrade her vehicle to crush NJ !

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    In NJ, exercising a right requires intervention.

    Any justice system would ignore any LAC who has a permit to carry a gun and so chooses to carry that gun. but this is the NE and they do not have just any justice system.

    Cops would likely do their job and feel bad about it...learning that she got off there by alleviating them of being the only reason she was subjected to the ordeal in the first place.

    Or, the cop is likely thinking it really is her fault after all and he cop was just doing his job. Or, he just could not care any less and likely forgot all about the criminal after he busted her lawbreaking azz. Got home safely at the end of his shift, cuz that is all that really matters these days, and had a few beers with his buddies, enjoyed a laugh over the nitwits they run across during the last shift.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I think that she accepted the bargain. Its not something that can be forced upon you.
    The threats levied by the prosecutor having the backing of the violent coercive state is pretty akin often times to forcing someone to a plea. Also taking the chances with a brain dead statist jury of NJ.

    Much like the confession of a person on the rack wasn't really forced to confess.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    See. The system is completely broken.
    It works at least as good as Dick Cheney's heart.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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