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    Please update site and anyone who open carrys!!!!!

    TRANSPORTINGWEAPONS
    If I have a CCW license can I transport the weapon on my person in a vehicle?
    Yes. Current law generally requires that firearms other than handguns being transported in or on a vehicle, or placed inside a vehicle be unloaded, and not hidden or concealed when within reach of any occupants of the vehicle. In regard to other weapons not authorized under a CCW license, they could not be carried concealed and within reach.
    Under the new CCW law, a person with a CCW license may carry a concealed weapon (handgun, knife, electric weapon or billy club) in a vehicle.
    However, long guns are still subject to the requirement of being unloaded and not hidden when within reach.

    If I do not have a CCW license how do I transport weapons in a vehicle?
    A. Handguns
    The law now allows a person who can legally possess a handgun to do the following without a CCW permit:
    • place, possess, or transport a handgun in a vehicle without being unloaded or encased.Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b).
    • load a handgun in a vehicle. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(c).
    • operate an all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with a loaded uncased handgun in the operator‘s possession. Wis. Stat. § 23.33(3)(a).
    • place, possess, or transport a handgun in or on a motorboat with the motor running without being unloaded or encased. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(a), (b), (c).
    • place, possess, or transport a loaded uncased handgun in or on a
    noncommercial aircraft.
    IMPORTANT NOTE: Persons who do not have a CCW license may still not carry weapons concealed. In a vehicle this means that the firearm cannot be hidden or concealed and within reach.

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    This information is as of June 23, 2014. I have had personal experience while getting pulled over. Make sure you inform the officer(s) right away of any weapons in the vehical as soon as he gets out of his. I informed the sheriff of my pistol and he said thank you for informing me never asked for the pistol. He originally pulled me over for an expired tag on the truck, but that quickly turned into friendly gun talk after i told him what kind of pistol i had. Gave us a warning for the tag and said have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    ...Make sure you inform the officer(s) right away of any weapons in the vehicle as soon as he gets out of his...
    Please be specific.

    Is this legal advice, or personal opinion?

    Personal opinions are certainly valid, especially with experiences and reasons as you've noted, but it needs to be clear. AFAIK, Wisconsin law does not require notification, and there are advantages and disadvantages to notifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    TRANSPORTINGWEAPONS
    If I have a CCW license can I transport the weapon on my person in a vehicle?
    Yes. Current law generally requires that firearms other than handguns being transported in or on a vehicle, or placed inside a vehicle be unloaded, and not hidden or concealed when within reach of any occupants of the vehicle. In regard to other weapons not authorized under a CCW license, they could not be carried concealed and within reach.
    Under the new CCW law, a person with a CCW license may carry a concealed weapon (handgun, knife, electric weapon or billy club) in a vehicle.
    However, long guns are still subject to the requirement of being unloaded and not hidden when within reach.

    If I do not have a CCW license how do I transport weapons in a vehicle?
    A. Handguns
    The law now allows a person who can legally possess a handgun to do the following without a CCW permit:
    • place, possess, or transport a handgun in a vehicle without being unloaded or encased.Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b).
    • load a handgun in a vehicle. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(c).

    • operate an all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with a loaded uncased handgun in the operator‘s possession. Wis. Stat. § 23.33(3)(a).
    • place, possess, or transport a handgun in or on a motorboat with the motor running without being unloaded or encased. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(a), (b), (c).
    • place, possess, or transport a loaded uncased handgun in or on a
    noncommercial aircraft.
    IMPORTANT NOTE: Persons who do not have a CCW license may still not carry weapons concealed. In a vehicle this means that the firearm cannot be hidden or concealed and within reach.


    Would this now mean the idea of an OC'd handgun in a vehicle is no longer considered 'unlawfully concealed'? I hate legalese and struggle to interpret the 'language'. Incidentally Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b). says

    (c) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may load a firearm, other than a handgun, in a vehicle or discharge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or crossbow in or from a vehicle.
    I don't see anything about the method of carry so not sure where the ban on vehicular CC without a permit is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Please be specific.

    Is this legal advice, or personal opinion?

    Personal opinions are certainly valid, especially with experiences and reasons as you've noted, but it needs to be clear. AFAIK, Wisconsin law does not require notification, and there are advantages and disadvantages to notifying.
    Sorry i should have been more clear and thank you for pointing it out. It's my personal opinion and the sheriff that pulled us over really appreciate people informing them of a weapon(s) inside just so there not blind sided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Would this now mean the idea of an OC'd handgun in a vehicle is no longer considered 'unlawfully concealed'? I hate legalese and struggle to interpret the 'language'. Incidentally Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b). says



    I don't see anything about the method of carry so not sure where the ban on vehicular CC without a permit is.
    The sheriff told me so i could even understand all the mumble jumble is that if the weapon can be seen from any view around the vehicle your fine. If the weapon can not be seen as far as pistols go, not including long guns, than you need to be carrying the ccw permit.

    I do have the PDF file and i would put it on here but the file is to large. Here is the HTTP thingy hopefully this will work:

    http://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/def...cw/ccw-faq.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    The sheriff told me so i could even understand all the mumble jumble is that if the weapon can be seen from any view around the vehicle your fine. If the weapon can not be seen as far as pistols go, not including long guns, than you need to be carrying the ccw permit.
    Best peice of advice I can give is never take an LEOs word for it. He is 100% wrong

    State v Walls


    .....Handgun lying on front seat of automobile in which defendant was passenger was “concealed” within meaning of concealed weapons statute, although police officers were able to observe handgun after stopping vehicle, where handgun was concealed to ordinary observation as automobile traveled down the street prior to being stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Best peice of advice I can give is never take an LEOs word for it. He is 100% wrong

    State v Walls
    Have you had any experience or just going but what you find in someone elses situation.You going around telling people not to listen to cops is not by any means a good idea. you sir would end up getting some young man or women killed by the law or thrown in jail because they took your advice.

    So how about you keep reading the State vs walls and you will see that under Weapons 406-10 i clearly agrees to what ive stated ealier. If you read, than you shall learn.
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    Always follow the law, always know the law. Do NOT make up your own variation, which means in a state in which there is no notification required, do NOT notify. Neither should you lie.

    Also be aware that the ONLY requirement (except for one state) is to show a permit IF CONCEAL CARRYING. It does not have any provision to declare anything about the firearm. You only need to show the PERMIT and a picture ID.

    If asked about the firearm, I would suggest you say nothing, or ask if the request (if any) is a demand or a request. If the reply is 'a request' you should say nothing about it. The point is NOT to empower the officer, and not to TEACH them that they have a right to demand something which they do NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    Have you had any experience or just going but what you find in someone elses situation.You going around telling people not to listen to cops is not by any means a good idea. you sir would end up getting some young man or women killed by the law or thrown in jail because they took your advice.

    So how about you keep reading the State vs walls and you will see that under Weapons 406-10 i clearly agrees to what ive stated ealier. If you read, than you shall learn.
    i'm going by the law and by advice I've read here on OCDO. Incidentally if you like being lied to and having your rights stolen feel free to carry on but this is not the site for you and you'll get no support. Cops are subject to the law and resisting unlawful searches, seizures is quite common if not here, a myriad of activist groups, many of which have youtube accounts. Cops can and do lie and it's up to you to know what is a lie and what is law. Educate yourself then come back when you've learned a thing or two about reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    i'm going by the law and by advice I've read here on OCDO. Incidentally if you like being lied to and having your rights stolen feel free to carry on but this is not the site for you and you'll get no support. Cops are subject to the law and resisting unlawful searches, seizures is quite common if not here, a myriad of activist groups, many of which have youtube accounts. Cops can and do lie and it's up to you to know what is a lie and what is law. Educate yourself then come back when you've learned a thing or two about reality.
    This is not the site for me? Really by who's account?...its a free site and anyone person may be on it and if no one supports me than so be it, i dont support you and the words you speak. I do educate myself unlike you who i doubt that you read under the Weapons 406-10 in the State vs Wals

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    I've said my piece. If a moderator or other experienced member wishes to contradict me then I shall retract.
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    Yes, we're aware of the laws regarding transporting firearms in WI, thank you.
    For new people, there's a sticky at the top of the forum titled "New to OC in WI? Here's what you should know" which has lots of useful information.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ou-should-know

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    If I have a CCW license can I transport the weapon on my person in a vehicle?
    Not sure where you're getting this info, but anyone who calls it a "CCW license" doesn't know what they're talking about.
    CCW is a crime, and you can't get permission to commit a crime.
    WI sells concealed carry licenses (ccl).
    Having a ccl is a defense against a charge of CCW.
    Yes, I'm aware that someone at the DOJ calls a ccl a "CCW" in official documents. That doesn't make me feel very good about the DOJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14
    This information is as of June 23, 2014. I have had personal experience while getting pulled over. Make sure you inform the officer(s) right away of any weapons in the vehical (sic) as soon as he gets out of his. I informed the sheriff of my pistol and he said thank you for informing me never asked for the pistol. He originally pulled me over for an expired tag on the truck
    Did you notify him of all other personal property you had in the car? Why or why not?
    Why would you encourage a LEO to expect that people will give up their rights?
    And what does your pistol have to do with having an expired tag? Why would you even mention it?

    Most sheriffs will have more citizen-friendly responses & policies than most police chiefs,
    and most rural areas will have more citizen-friendly responses than most cities.
    So making a blanket assertion that LACs should inform a LEO of being armed when they're being investigated for an offense is off-base.
    In Milwaukee, you're likely to get your gun stolen, the serial # run (hello, you now have a "crime gun" registered to you), and have to go to court to get it back, even though you've done nothing wrong.

    The last 2 times I got pulled over, they didn't ask & I didn't tell, even though 1 time I was OC & both times I was cc.
    That being said, I did once inform a LEO I was armed & tried to show him my WI ccl (he refused it), but his partner was leaning in my passenger window grinning at me & could already clearly see the pistol on my hip, and neither of them was freaking out, so I figured it wasn't going to be a problem. (This was in a rural area of WI.) I was also cc, which is why I offered the ccl.
    I'd called 911 to report a dangerous driver, and they wanted my contact info in case it went to court. Wish I'd had a cell phone camera back then, 'cause that would have made prosecution lots easier!

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14
    The sheriff told me so i could even understand all the mumble jumble (sic) is that if the weapon can be seen from any view around the vehicle your (sic) fine. If the weapon can not be seen as far as pistols go, not including long guns, than you need to be carrying the ccw permit (sic).
    Walls is an old decision by a judge, not based on current law.
    The actual law has changed several times in important ways since that old ruling.
    And it was bad to begin with, the lawyer should have challenged it right away.
    If the officers saw a baggie of marijuana sitting on the front seat next to the pistol, they would claim that the drug was in plain sight. So of course the pistol was in plain sight too. Use a little common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14
    This is not the site for me? Really by who's (sic) account?... its (sic) a free site and anyone person may be on it and if no one supports me than so be it, i dont (sic) support you and the words you speak. I do educate myself unlike you who i doubt that you read under the Weapons 406-10 in the State vs Wals (sic)
    What is this "Weapons 406-10" of which you speak?
    Here's where you can search WI statutes, by number or key word: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/RSB/STATS.HTML
    There is no chapter 406.

    I think that most of the people here are more freedom-loving and more knowledgable about the laws, so we would not choose to give up our rights, would not choose to inform a LEO of what personal property we were carrying.
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    ...and (3) the weapon was concealed, or hidden from ordinary view, meaning it was indiscernible from the ordinary observation of a person located outside and within the immediate vicinity of the vehicle. Because we conclude a weapon located in the above manner is "concealed" within the meaning of § 941.23, we reject Walls' argument and affirm.[1]
    Same idea, different words. Fact is open carry without a permit is deemed illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Same idea, different words. Fact is open carry without a permit is deemed illegal.
    So your saying that everyone on this site including myself in the state of Wisconsin that open carrys there pistol without a ccl, are committing an illegal act?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    You were doing so well. One aww-shite wipes out a thousand atta-boys.
    Why pray tell? The language is different but the mesning is the same

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    So your saying that everyone on this site including myself in the state of Wisconsin that open carrys there pistol without a ccl, are committing an illegal act?!
    No, only OCing in a vehicle is deemed illegal. I say deemed as I am a firm believer in Constitutional carry and believe it to be an infringement and the judge was wrong to make that ruling. The ruling was made however and we're saddled with it for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Why pray tell? The language is different but the mesning is the same



    No, only OCing in a vehicle is deemed illegal. I say deemed as I am a firm believer in Constitutional carry and believe it to be an infringement and the judge was wrong to make that ruling. The ruling was made however and we're saddled with it for now.
    IT IS NOT BY LAW ILLEGAL TO OPEN CARRY A FIREARM IN YOUR VEHICLE.

    Handguns vs Long Guns in Vehicles[edit]
    Beginning November 1, 2011, it is legal to load a handgun, or to transport a loaded handgun cased or uncased, in a vehicle without a license. NOTE: This does NOT apply to long guns; they still must be unloaded, but now may be uncased. There is still some confusion as to whether or not an encased gun is concealed, so if it is cased, best practice is to keep the long gun out of reach. Long guns must be "discernable to ordinary observation", since a conceal carry license does not apply. Previously all firearms had to be unloaded & encased (per the transport statute), & out of reach (derived from the concealed carry statute). Those with a concealed carry license may conceal a pistol in a vehicle.

    WI statute 167.31[16]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    IT IS NOT BY LAW ILLEGAL TO OPEN CARRY A FIREARM IN YOUR VEHICLE.

    Handguns vs Long Guns in Vehicles[edit]
    Beginning November 1, 2011, it is legal to load a handgun, or to transport a loaded handgun cased or uncased, in a vehicle without a license. NOTE: This does NOT apply to long guns; they still must be unloaded, but now may be uncased. There is still some confusion as to whether or not an encased gun is concealed, so if it is cased, best practice is to keep the long gun out of reach. Long guns must be "discernable to ordinary observation", since a conceal carry license does not apply. Previously all firearms had to be unloaded & encased (per the transport statute), & out of reach (derived from the concealed carry statute). Those with a concealed carry license may conceal a pistol in a vehicle.

    WI statute 167.31[16]
    167.31 sub (16) doesnt exist it only goes to 5. LEOs have made up more believable stories. Or you may be an LEO trying to see how much we know. I can promise you if a common citizen with no special knowledge can refute your statements then you don't stand a chance with seasoned members. I'm gonna call it. Troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Square brackets - [ ] - are not used to specify Wisconsin Statutes subsections. What ever is being referred to is not Wisc. Stats.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/prefaces/toc

    Here is Wisc. Stats. Chapter 990 CONSTRUCTION OF STATUTES
    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/990
    I had thought the brackets was a typo. In any case of course it's not a part of W. statutes and my previous post stands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    167.31 sub (16) doesnt exist it only goes to 5. LEOs have made up more believable stories. Or you may be an LEO trying to see how much we know. I can promise you if a common citizen with no special knowledge can refute your statements then you don't stand a chance with seasoned members. I'm gonna call it. Troll.
    The '[16]' is a wikipedia footnote link.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...ns_in_Vehicles

    footnote 16 is a link to WI 167.31.

    http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...tatutes/167/31

    I suppose you can argue the point somehow, but not legitimately.

    You MIGHT be able to check the actual reference that wikipedia cites, and use information at the wisconsin.gov website to confirm or refute the wikipedia statement he quoted but failed to cite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    IT IS NOT BY LAW ILLEGAL TO OPEN CARRY A FIREARM IN YOUR VEHICLE.

    Handguns vs Long Guns in Vehicles[edit]
    Beginning November 1, 2011, it is legal to load a handgun, or to transport a loaded handgun cased or uncased, in a vehicle without a license. NOTE: This does NOT apply to long guns; they still must be unloaded, but now may be uncased. There is still some confusion as to whether or not an encased gun is concealed, so if it is cased, best practice is to keep the long gun out of reach. Long guns must be "discernable to ordinary observation", since a conceal carry license does not apply. Previously all firearms had to be unloaded & encased (per the transport statute), & out of reach (derived from the concealed carry statute). Those with a concealed carry license may conceal a pistol in a vehicle.

    WI statute 167.31[16]
    Actually, you really need to cite your source for the quote you presented. And, I would caution you to NOT use wikipedia as a direct source, but use it to find links to actual sources. In this case, had you taken the time to follow the link to the source cited at the wikipedia page, you would have been led directly to the actual WI statute referenced. At that point, you should easily have found out that it is 'by law,' illegal to carry a firearm in your vehicle. The statute then lists exceptions.

    167.31  Safe use and transportation of firearms and bows.
    (1)  Definitions. In this section:
    (a) "Aircraft" has the meaning given under s. 114.002 (3).
    (b) "Encased" means enclosed in a case that is completely zipped, snapped, buckled, tied or otherwise fastened with no part of the firearm exposed.
    (bg) "Family member of the landowner" means a person who is related to the landowner as a parent, child, spouse, or sibling.
    (bn) "Farm tractor" has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (16).
    (c) "Firearm" means a weapon that acts by force of gunpowder.
    (cm) "Handgun" has the meaning given in s. 175.60 (1) (bm).
    (d) "Highway" has the meaning given under s. 340.01 (22).
    (dm) "Implement of husbandry" has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (24).
    (e) "Motorboat" has the meaning given under s. 30.50 (6).
    (em) "Peace officer" has the meaning given in s. 939.22 (22).
    (et) "Private security person" has the meaning given in s. 440.26 (1m) (h).
    (f) "Roadway" has the meaning given under s. 340.01 (54).
    (fg) "Stationary" means not moving, regardless of whether the motor is running.
    (fm) "Street" means a highway that is within the corporate limits of a city or village.
    (fr) "Transmission facility" means any pipe, pipeline, duct, wire, cable, line, conduit, pole, tower, equipment, or other structure used to transmit or distribute electricity to or for the public or to transmit or distribute communications or data to or from the public.
    (g) "Unloaded" means any of the following:
    1. Having no shell or cartridge in the chamber of a firearm or in the magazine attached to a firearm.
    2. In the case of a cap lock muzzle-loading firearm, having the cap removed.
    3. In the case of a flint lock muzzle-loading firearm, having the flashpan cleaned of powder.
    4. In the case of an electronic ignition muzzle-loading firearm, having the battery removed and disconnected from the firearm.
    (h) "Vehicle" has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (74), but includes a snowmobile, as defined in s. 340.01 (58a), an all-terrain vehicle, as defined in s. 340.01 (2g), and an electric personal assistive mobility device, as defined in s. 340.01 (15pm), except that for purposes of subs. (4) (c) and (cg) and (4m) "vehicle" has the meaning given for "motor vehicle" in s. 29.001 (57).
    (2) Prohibitions; motorboats and vehicles; highways and roadways.
    (a) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may place, possess, or transport a firearm, bow, or crossbow in or on a motorboat with the motor running, unless one of the following applies:
    1. The firearm is unloaded or is a handgun.
    2. The bow does not have an arrow nocked.
    3. The crossbow is not cocked or is unloaded and enclosed in a carrying case.
    The first exception is 'The firearm is unloaded or is a handgun.'

    That is an exception to the statute making it illegal.
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    So now we have a guy that evidently knows how laws are suppose to be written and yet another you still cant show any proof that open carrying in a vehicle is illegal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    So now we have a guy that evidently knows how laws are suppose to be written and yet another you still cant show any proof that open carrying in a vehicle is illegal
    Not sure what you are referring to here.


    Have YOU taken the time to actually review the actual statutes for your own knowledge?


    By WI statute, all firearm carry of any kind in the listed vehicles is illegal. The same statute lists exceptions to that prohibition.


    The exceptions provided allow open carry of a loaded pistol, and transportation of other unloaded firearms. there are also other exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    The '[16]' is a wikipedia footnote link.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...ns_in_Vehicles

    footnote 16 is a link to WI 167.31.

    http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...tatutes/167/31

    I suppose you can argue the point somehow, but not legitimately.

    You MIGHT be able to check the actual reference that wikipedia cites, and use information at the wisconsin.gov website to confirm or refute the wikipedia statement he quoted but failed to cite.

    I suppose i'll have to check it out this evening after church. Though trying to use wikipedia as a cite is almost as bad as citing from Aesops fabled or a mainstream propaganda 'news' station website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage14 View Post
    So now we have a guy that evidently knows how laws are suppose to be written and yet another you still cant show any proof that open carrying in a vehicle is illegal
    I bet even if a borg went and assimilated you, you wouldnt get it. You've been given the evidence. Either accept it or go play with your fairy tales elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    I suppose i'll have to check it out this evening after church. Though trying to use wikipedia as a cite is almost as bad as citing from Aesops fabled or a mainstream propaganda 'news' station website.
    Which is why I followed the wikipedia link and cited the actual relevant wi statute from the wisconsin.gov website.




    Now, specifically as to why I agree that on the face of it, open carry in a vehicle is illegal.
    It is accurate to state that it is not illegal to open carry in a vehicle, BUT by the construction of the statute in question, that only applies as long as the exception is not removed. Legislation to rewrite the statute can easily remove that exception as if it were never there......
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