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    Man practicing open carry law robbed of gun

    http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-pract...robbed-of-gun/


    The man then asked about the gun, pulled a gun from his own waistband and said “”I like your gun. Give it to me.”

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    That's why you should carry 2 ... toss that one where he'll be distracted and then Blamo ! right between da eyes

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    which is why you don't show and always be alert to your surroundings and people around you.

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    If the story is true very poor situational awareness. Asking for a cigarette or light is a common ruse to get close to commit a crime. He should have put his hand on his gun and told the thief to get back or stop.

    I had a young man approach me walking several months back on the opposite side of the road. As he started to cross to my side I stopped and backed up as he asked for cigarette. I told him to get back, and unsnapped my gun, he moved back. Carrying OC the victim in this case should have easily had the drop on the thief.

    I never let people get close to me, not just to prevent a crime. I don't want other people's germs, colds, flu, or whatever else they are carrying. It is also the reason both my wife and I are armed. Increases the chances a dirt bag may get shot so they move on to the next target.
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    Well,,,

    Sooo,, I have been thinking about this thread "Title" for hours...
    I NEVER practiced OCing a Gun..
    But I DID Study OCing a gun on this forum, and I studied the laws of my state....
    Before I Actually Did OC to my local food store as my first foray with an exposed hand gun.

    Oh,,, and I didnt do it, out in the Hood at 2AM!

    I think the story is a fake!!
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    This may be it - OCer targeted because he was OCing?

    http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-pract...robbed-of-gun/

    GRESHAM, Ore. (KOIN 6) — A man practicing his open carry right was robbed of the gun he was openly carrying.

    William Coleman III was robbed of his Walter[sic]- brand P22 just after 2:00 a.m. October 4 in Gresham by a young man who asked him for it — and flashed his own weapon as persuasion.

    Coleman, 21, was talking to his cousin in the 17200 block of NE Glisan St., after purchasing the handgun earlier that day, when a young man asked him for a cigarette, police said.

    The man then asked about the gun, pulled a gun from his own waistband and said “”I like your gun. Give it to me.”
    This may be the black swan we have all been waiting to discover. And since I am the one reporting it, I claim the three-figure cash reward I have offered for documentation of someone being targeted specifically because they were OCing. Any suggestions on where to spend that $1.00?

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    All but one of the stories describe the gun the thief was carrying.
    Only one story actually describes the thief. Big surprise.
    Han shot first.

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    I think the story is fake as well.

    The description does not even sound credible.

    He is roughly six feet tall, wearing grey sweatpants, a white T-Shirt and flip-flop sandals.

    You can run in flip flops, but not very fast. I would suspect that any half brained criminal would not wear flip flops to commit a crime. Plus where did he keep his gun in sweats, that are not supportive of Mexican carry and the rest of the description does not support the criminal would have used a holster.

    I call BS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwboley View Post
    http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-pract...robbed-of-gun/


    The man then asked about the gun, pulled a gun from his own waistband and said “”I like your gun. Give it to me.”
    "The weapon he used in the robbery was described as a possibly semi-automatic, black gun, Gresham Police said."

    Yeah, that narrows it down to about 200 million, or so. He probably should have "practiced" a little more before venturing out on the mean streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wstar425 View Post
    "The weapon he used in the robbery was described as a possibly semi-automatic, black gun, Gresham Police said."

    Yeah, that narrows it down to about 200 million, or so. He probably should have "practiced" a little more before venturing out on the mean streets.
    Presume that means it could have "possibly" been a chrome revolver.

    The victim should have just given the BG he wanted......a cigarette. Then he would have been left alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Presume that means it could have "possibly" been a chrome revolver.

    The victim should have just given the BG he wanted......a cigarette. Then he would have been left alone
    I would have given him my gun, one round at a time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwboley View Post
    http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-pract...robbed-of-gun/


    The man then asked about the gun, pulled a gun from his own waistband and said “”I like your gun. Give it to me.”
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Presume that means it could have "possibly" been a chrome revolver.

    The victim should have just given the BG he wanted......a cigarette. Then he would have been left alone
    Grape wasn't there a reward for anyone who could document a gun grab or gun taken while ocing? I think we found a winner lol
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    How the heck does a victim place his hand on his gun and draws it only to give it away? Seems like there's only a few possibilities:

    1. Handgun wasn't loaded
    2. Victim wasn't prepared to use it
    3. Victim didn't know how to use it
    4. Story is a lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Grape wasn't there a reward for anyone who could document a gun grab or gun taken while ocing? I think we found a winner lol
    Nope.

    There were 2 challanges.

    1 -To find a cite where a successful gun grab/snatch resulted in the OCer being killed with his own gun. Military, LEOs, and security were excluded.

    2 - The other was to cite where someone was robbed/relieved of their gun because they were OCing. So far this one does not meet that standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    How the heck does a victim place his hand on his gun and draws it only to give it away? Seems like there's only a few possibilities:

    1. Handgun wasn't loaded
    2. Victim wasn't prepared to use it
    3. Victim didn't know how to use it
    4. Story is a lie
    Number 4! I too thought that was stupid, why I said I would have given him the gun one round at a time.

    Primus this story is clearly bogus, the police report is real, but clearly a anti OCer trying to show those gun grabs that rarely happen. Last time this came up several years ago the person was charged with filing a false police report. Too many things in this that do not make the least sense. Number one for me is carrying a firearm in sweatpants, have you tried to carry a firearm in sweatpants? Then he ran away in flip flops.

    Betting the police were not provided a serial number of the supposed stolen firearm.
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    Per Gresham PD Records Division:

    S/N of the stolen gun: L338048

    It has been entered into NCIC.

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    Even with the ser # I don't buy the story. Sounds like a good way to sell a gun to a felon and avoid possible charges down the road. Kinda like some people report a stolen car after driving their car into a ditch while drunk.

    Had a deputy do the above in Logan County. Cost him his badge, but because he was a deputy he managed to escape serious charges.
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    Per Gresham PD Records Division:

    S/N of the stolen gun: L338048

    It has been entered into NCIC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0neZ View Post
    Per Gresham PD Records Division:

    S/N of the stolen gun: L338048

    It has been entered into NCIC.
    I still do not believe him, the story just sounds funky. Betting he had second thoughts about making a straw purchase and wanted to protect himself in case of a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I still do not believe him, the story just sounds funky. Betting he had second thoughts about making a straw purchase and wanted to protect himself in case of a crime.
    I'm not saying I believe the story to be one way or another, just providing what I found out is all.

    I will say that I hope this story ends up being just that: A story.

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    If this story is true..... Life hack: If you're going to be in the hood at 2am on a Saturday night, practice some situational awareness. Regardless of carry method, awareness and avoiding stupid people in stupid places and weird times is crucial. All that said, I still prefer OC because there is no deterrent factor with CC. There is no educational factor with CC. There is no celebration of the right to bear arms with CC.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Story was posted to a gun rights page on FB. The general consensus was that this story stunk to high heaven. The "victim" just meekly handed over his gun? How many of you would have just handed over their gun; bullets first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Story was posted to a gun rights page on FB. The general consensus was that this story stunk to high heaven. The "victim" just meekly handed over his gun? How many of you would have just handed over their gun; bullets first?
    I say it smells funny too, what person is going to have the person they are robbing hand them their weapon?

    The only time someone tried that with me was Officer Elmendor of the Bellingham police, I didn't fall for it.
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    Gun stolen from Open Carrier

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ight-surprise/

    William Coleman III was open carrying a handgun he’d just purchased hours earlier when he got an unfortunate surprise.

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    The 21-year-old was chatting with his cousin just after 2 a.m. Saturday on a street in Gresham, Oregon, when a man approached them and asked Coleman for a cigarette.

    The man also stated his admiration for the Walther .22 caliber displayed on Coleman’s person — as allowed under Oregon law — then pulled his own gun from his waistband, KOIN-TV reported.

    “I like your gun. Give it to me,” the crook reportedly told Coleman.

    Coleman turned over his gun to the man, who fled on foot, the station said.

    The suspect is described as a black man between 19 and 23 years old, about 6 feet tall, thin and with short wavy black hair and a small patch of facial hair on his chin. He was wearing gray sweatpants, a white T-shirt and flip-flops, KOIN reported.

    Gresham police said the suspect’s weapon looked like a semi-automatic black gun, KOIN reported. The stolen gun is also black and is semi-automatic, according to KPTV-TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
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    Plus where did he keep his gun in sweats, that are not supportive of Mexican carry and the rest of the description does not support the criminal would have used a holster.
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    I've been told by one of Durham, NC's finest that it isn't the pants/sweats that they are carrying in but rather the underwear or multiple layers of underwear. They stuff their gun down near their junk so it's less likely to get felt during a frisk.

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