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This may be it - OCer targeted because he was OCing?

Dave H.

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which is why you don't show and always be alert to your surroundings and people around you.
 

WalkingWolf

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If the story is true very poor situational awareness. Asking for a cigarette or light is a common ruse to get close to commit a crime. He should have put his hand on his gun and told the thief to get back or stop.

I had a young man approach me walking several months back on the opposite side of the road. As he started to cross to my side I stopped and backed up as he asked for cigarette. I told him to get back, and unsnapped my gun, he moved back. Carrying OC the victim in this case should have easily had the drop on the thief.

I never let people get close to me, not just to prevent a crime. I don't want other people's germs, colds, flu, or whatever else they are carrying. It is also the reason both my wife and I are armed. Increases the chances a dirt bag may get shot so they move on to the next target.
 

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Well,,,

Sooo,, I have been thinking about this thread "Title" for hours...
I NEVER practiced OCing a Gun..
But I DID Study OCing a gun on this forum, and I studied the laws of my state....
Before I Actually Did OC to my local food store as my first foray with an exposed hand gun.

Oh,,, and I didnt do it, out in the Hood at 2AM!

I think the story is a fake!!
 

skidmark

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http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-practicing-open-carry-law-robbed-of-gun/

GRESHAM, Ore. (KOIN 6) — A man practicing his open carry right was robbed of the gun he was openly carrying.

William Coleman III was robbed of his Walter[sic]- brand P22 just after 2:00 a.m. October 4 in Gresham by a young man who asked him for it — and flashed his own weapon as persuasion.

Coleman, 21, was talking to his cousin in the 17200 block of NE Glisan St., after purchasing the handgun earlier that day, when a young man asked him for a cigarette, police said.

The man then asked about the gun, pulled a gun from his own waistband and said “”I like your gun. Give it to me.”

This may be the black swan we have all been waiting to discover. And since I am the one reporting it, I claim the three-figure cash reward I have offered for documentation of someone being targeted specifically because they were OCing. Any suggestions on where to spend that $1.00?

stay safe.
 

waskel

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All but one of the stories describe the gun the thief was carrying.
Only one story actually describes the thief. Big surprise.
 

WalkingWolf

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I think the story is fake as well.

The description does not even sound credible.

He is roughly six feet tall, wearing grey sweatpants, a white T-Shirt and flip-flop sandals.

You can run in flip flops, but not very fast. I would suspect that any half brained criminal would not wear flip flops to commit a crime. Plus where did he keep his gun in sweats, that are not supportive of Mexican carry and the rest of the description does not support the criminal would have used a holster.

I call BS!
 

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Grapeshot

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"The weapon he used in the robbery was described as a possibly semi-automatic, black gun, Gresham Police said."

Yeah, that narrows it down to about 200 million, or so. He probably should have "practiced" a little more before venturing out on the mean streets.
Presume that means it could have "possibly" been a chrome revolver.

The victim should have just given the BG he wanted......a cigarette. Then he would have been left alone :p
 

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http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-practicing-open-carry-law-robbed-of-gun/


The man then asked about the gun, pulled a gun from his own waistband and said “”I like your gun. Give it to me.”

Presume that means it could have "possibly" been a chrome revolver.

The victim should have just given the BG he wanted......a cigarette. Then he would have been left alone :p
Grape wasn't there a reward for anyone who could document a gun grab or gun taken while ocing? I think we found a winner lol :D
 

bigtoe416

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How the heck does a victim place his hand on his gun and draws it only to give it away? Seems like there's only a few possibilities:

1. Handgun wasn't loaded
2. Victim wasn't prepared to use it
3. Victim didn't know how to use it
4. Story is a lie
 

Grapeshot

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Grape wasn't there a reward for anyone who could document a gun grab or gun taken while ocing? I think we found a winner lol :D
Nope.

There were 2 challanges.

1 -To find a cite where a successful gun grab/snatch resulted in the OCer being killed with his own gun. Military, LEOs, and security were excluded.

2 - The other was to cite where someone was robbed/relieved of their gun because they were OCing. So far this one does not meet that standard.
 

WalkingWolf

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How the heck does a victim place his hand on his gun and draws it only to give it away? Seems like there's only a few possibilities:

1. Handgun wasn't loaded
2. Victim wasn't prepared to use it
3. Victim didn't know how to use it
4. Story is a lie

Number 4! I too thought that was stupid, why I said I would have given him the gun one round at a time.

Primus this story is clearly bogus, the police report is real, but clearly a anti OCer trying to show those gun grabs that rarely happen. Last time this came up several years ago the person was charged with filing a false police report. Too many things in this that do not make the least sense. Number one for me is carrying a firearm in sweatpants, have you tried to carry a firearm in sweatpants? Then he ran away in flip flops.

Betting the police were not provided a serial number of the supposed stolen firearm.
 

WalkingWolf

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Even with the ser # I don't buy the story. Sounds like a good way to sell a gun to a felon and avoid possible charges down the road. Kinda like some people report a stolen car after driving their car into a ditch while drunk.

Had a deputy do the above in Logan County. Cost him his badge, but because he was a deputy he managed to escape serious charges.
 

WalkingWolf

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Per Gresham PD Records Division:

S/N of the stolen gun: L338048

It has been entered into NCIC.

I still do not believe him, the story just sounds funky. Betting he had second thoughts about making a straw purchase and wanted to protect himself in case of a crime.
 

b0neZ

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I still do not believe him, the story just sounds funky. Betting he had second thoughts about making a straw purchase and wanted to protect himself in case of a crime.

I'm not saying I believe the story to be one way or another, just providing what I found out is all.

I will say that I hope this story ends up being just that: A story.
 
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