REDFIVE48
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Seems there is either confusion with the LEO or the AG. Anyone know the deal with AR now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRibdPkmIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRibdPkmIo
Seems there is either confusion with the LEO or the AG. Anyone know the deal with AR now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRibdPkmIo
well first of all is AR a stop and ID state thats the first thing i'd be asking.
(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;
My apologies, I should have prefaced that with "This is as close to 'Stop and Identify' as Arkansas law gets. I would agree that shopping in an open store is definitely Not any sort of lingering, remaining or prowling under any circumstances that warrant alarm.hmmmmm. Is there anything in AR statutes to prevent an LEO saying the carrying of a weapon is cause for alarm or causing a disturbance? Also the guy had a clear reason to be in Walmart. Shopping.
SECTION 2. Arkansas Code §5-73-120 is amended to read as follows:
5-73-120. Carrying a weapon.
(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a weapon if he or she possesses a handgun, knife, or club on or about his or her person, in a vehicle occupied by him or her, or otherwise readily available for use with a purpose to attempt to unlawfully employ the handgun, knife, or club as a weapon against a person.
(b) As used in this section:
(1) “Club” means any instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious physical injury or death by striking, including a blackjack, billie, and sap;(c) It is permissible to carry a handgun under this section that if at the time of the act of carrying a weapon:
(2) “Handgun” means any firearm with a barrel length of less than twelve inches (12") that is designed, made, or adapted to be fired with one (1) hand; and
(3) "Journey" means travel beyond the county in which a person lives; and
(4)“Knife” means any bladed hand instrument three inches (3") or longer that is capable of inflicting serious physical injury or death by cutting or stabbing, including a dirk, a sword or spear in a cane, a razor, an ice pick, a throwing star, a switchblade, and a butterfly knife.
(1) The person is in his or her own dwelling, or place of business, or on property in which he or she has a possessory or proprietary interest;
(2) The person is a law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or member of the armed forces acting in the course and scope of his or her official duties;
(3) The person is assisting a law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or member of the armed forces acting in the course and scope of his or her official duties pursuant to the direction or request of
the law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or member of the armed forces;
(4) The person is carrying a weapon when upon a journey, unless the journey is through a commercial airport when presenting at the security checkpoint in the airport or is in the person's checked baggage and is not a lawfully declared weapon;
(5) The person is a registered commissioned security guard acting in the course and scope of his or her duties;
(6) The person is hunting game with a handgun that may be hunted with a handgun under rules and regulations of the Arkansas State Game and Fish Commission or is en route to or from a hunting area for the purpose of hunting game with a handgun;
(7) The person is a certified law enforcement officer; or
(8) The person is in possession of a concealed handgun and has a valid license to carry a concealed handgun under §5-73-301 et seq., or recognized under §5-73-321 and is not in a prohibited place as defined by § 5-73-306; or
(9) The person is in possession of a handgun and is a retired law enforcement officer with a valid concealed carry authorization issued under federal or state law.
> Kopis - 746 according to post #7. Post #9 is what 746 will change the Code to read (minus the struck out parts, with the added parts)
> WalkingWolf - Did you read paragraph 5-73-120 (b) (3) in my post?
jour·ney
ˈjərnē/
noun
noun: journey; plural noun: journeys
1.
an act of traveling from one place to another.
"she went on a long journey"
I see nothing about counties in the definition, is there a definition for journey in the statutes?
For the out of state guys, we had a law pass this year in AR, act 749 or 746, i forget. It basically removed the word "Concealed" from the definition of the crime which is what MS did as well which "should" have allowed for OC if on a "journey" outside your county. However the AG and AR State Police have refused to recognize the new wording. The same thing happened in MS with LEOs telling me that the lawmakers didnt know what they were passing and would be passing new laws to undo the law they had just passed but... that never happened so MS is constitutional carry now... and nothing happened.
I suspect this will have to go to court to be resolved. There have been a few OC walks in large groups but most sheriffs/ASP/Local LEOs are denying the new Act allows for OC.
Well there you have it. The law passed and that gives the people he power to exercise that right and if need be enforce it. It's law. You can't refuse to recognise it. Not without major consequences
in case you havent noticed, they can and are refusing to recognize it without any consequences.
Good point.Why are we letting them then? No point complaining about rights being violated unless one is willing to do something about it?
Good point.
So what are u going to do about it?
I'm not even sure what exactly you are. LEO of some sort. Might have heard Military Police. In either case I don't get questioned by law enforcement.