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    what they should have done - ebola bigmouth on plane

    should have put the guy in the lavatory, moved all people onto the tarmac ... instead of leaving people in the enclosed cabin where the guy could have coughed up on everyone....

    see, the gov't cares, just not a lot ....

    https://gma.yahoo.com/looks-ebola-sc...opstories.html

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    Have you noticed that the consequences of ignorance, its effects, are quite similar, be it of guns or a particular disease. Hmmm, maybe ignorance is a disorder sufferers of which should be quarantined - by the Federal Education Management Administration.
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    "Ladies and gentlemen, please stay in your seats as we have an ebola infected person on board. I'll increase the power of the fans in your cabin to make you more comfortable while you wait for the gov't response team to arrive which should be in about an hour, give or take 5 hours. And increase the volume of the piped in music to mask the coughing sounds. Thank you for flying Ebola Airlines. Its more than just a company name." Pilot

    And people actually stayed in the cabin ... no one pulled the emergency chute...and no one tore off the responders protective tyvek headgear from the responders either. Baa baa baa.

    Everyone knew what was going on.

    So either a) everyone knew it was BS or b) everyone does not mind dying or c) they were total sheep awaiting a slaughter

    I would have been off that plane pronto !

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    Cabin air is not recirculated, it is one time used from engine bypass air (precisely to minimize contamination) through the cabin outflow valve for pressure control. Same as why a bullet hole in the skin is a non-issue. The outflow valve orifice is about a square foot area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Cabin air is not recirculated, it is one time used from engine bypass air (precisely to minimize contamination) through the cabin outflow valve for pressure control. Same as why a bullet hole in the skin is a non-issue. The outflow valve orifice is about a square foot area.
    So you would be fine sitting in front of the coughing ebola guy?

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    What It Looks Like When There’s an Ebola Scare on OCDO

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    So you would be fine sitting in front of the coughing ebola guy?
    Which one is that, coughing or Ebola EVD? The instant case is overreaction to a hoax, same as saying bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    should have put the guy in the lavatory, moved all people onto the tarmac ... instead of leaving people in the enclosed cabin where the guy could have coughed up on everyone....

    see, the gov't cares, just not a lot ....

    https://gma.yahoo.com/looks-ebola-sc...opstories.html
    You do understand that what happened, was happening in the Dominican Republic, right?

    An Ebola scare on a US Airways flight leaving Philadelphia prompted officials to meet the plane when it arrived in the Dominican Republic after a passenger reportedly said he had Ebola.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Which one is that, coughing or Ebola EVD? The instant case is overreaction to a hoax, same as saying bomb.

    Don't read lamestream media for The Truth. GeeZeus, how lame can GMA get?
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    The citizen should sue all those who subjected him to unwarranted treatment while on the US flagged carrier. File criminal charges against anyone who assaulted him, or falsely imprisoned him. Kidnapping is not out of the question either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    The citizen should sue all those who subjected him to unwarranted treatment while on the US flagged carrier. File criminal charges against anyone who assaulted him, or falsely imprisoned him. Kidnapping is not out of the question either.
    He got onto the aircraft willingly.


    It did not happen here, who is he going to sue?
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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/travel...are/index.html

    The airline is responsible for he being subjected to DR officials.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/travel...are/index.html

    The airline is responsible for he being subjected to DR officials.
    How so?


    And, from your link:
    CNN has not been able to confirm the comment the man allegedly made, but according to local media reports in the Dominican Republic citing the airport's director of operations, it was:
    "I have Ebola. You're all screwed."
    I do not believe he has much of a case, if that it accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    How so?
    The crew called the dude in to the DR officials.
    An airline spokesperson told ABC News the report they have is that another passenger heard the comment and alerted a flight attendant. The FA then alerted the captain. The comment was made while the flight was on approach to its final destination.
    It was not a lucky guess by the DR officials, to be waiting for that a/c, suited up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    The crew called the dude in to the DR officials.It was not a lucky guess by the DR officials, to be waiting for that a/c, suited up.
    Huh? What would you have them do instead?


    Was the passenger not responsible for making the statement he allegedly made?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Huh? What would you have them do instead?

    Was the passenger not responsible for making the statement he allegedly made?
    Irresponsible comments are now to be grounds to subject a citizen (DR is off the hook, the airline is not) to such treatment. We are not talking a bomb or some such other thing here.

    According to the CDC, ebola cannot be transmitted simply by being in the same space with a ebola victim. Direct contact with bodily fluids is the only transmission mechanism, it is claimed. If this is true, the airline had no grounds to do anything other than be peeved at the nitwittery displayed by the passenger. The airline could have revoked the nitwits return travel, if it were a US Airways flight.

    A airline, in my view, may deal with a passenger as they see fit, they are a private business. When they subject a citizen to state sanctions (the DR in the case) without just (lawful) cause, then they must be held to account. We are at the point now that a sniffle and runny nose can/will have your liberty seriously compromised by the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Irresponsible comments are now to be grounds to subject a citizen (DR is off the hook, the airline is not) to such treatment. We are not talking a bomb or some such other thing here.

    According to the CDC, ebola cannot be transmitted simply by being in the same space with a ebola victim. Direct contact with bodily fluids is the only transmission mechanism, it is claimed. If this is true, the airline had no grounds to do anything other than be peeved at the nitwittery displayed by the passenger. The airline could have revoked the nitwits return travel, if it were a US Airways flight.

    A airline, in my view, may deal with a passenger as they see fit, they are a private business. When they subject a citizen to state sanctions (the DR in the case) without just (lawful) cause, then they must be held to account. We are at the point now that a sniffle and runny nose can/will have your liberty seriously compromised by the state.
    The runny nose, combined with his comment, is as wrong as falsely claiming there was a bomb on board. Had he been telling the truth, that basically condemns 50-70% of the passengers to death.


    As it is, many are calling for a ban on air travel from the outbreak countries, whether potential passengers were ever near anyone with Ebola or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    The runny nose, combined with his comment, is as wrong as falsely claiming there was a bomb on board. Had he been telling the truth, that basically condemns 50-70% of the passengers to death. ...
    Given the facts as to how ebola is transmitted, how many of the other passengers were placed in isolation? If zero is the answer, then the nitwit got screwed over by the airline. If the answer is zero, and you are OK with the treatment he gets from the DR, then the issue is not ebola and how it is transmitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Given the facts as to how ebola is transmitted, how many of the other passengers were placed in isolation? If zero is the answer, then the nitwit got screwed over by the airline. If the answer is zero, and you are OK with the treatment he gets from the DR, then the issue is not ebola and how it is transmitted.
    Well, no. He got screwed over by his idiot mouth.


    Had the airline done nothing at all, they would be viewed the same as many are viewing our administration for not halting air travel from affected countries altogether. His comment placed the airline in a 'no win situation,' where failure to do anything would earn them the moniker 'Ebola-Air.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Well, no. He got screwed over by his idiot mouth.

    Had the airline done nothing at all, they would be viewed the same as many are viewing our administration for not halting air travel from affected countries altogether. His comment placed the airline in a 'no win situation,' where failure to do anything would earn them the moniker 'Ebola-Air.'
    Unfounded irrational fear...OK.
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    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Unfounded irrational fear...OK.
    Yes, that is exactly the case. The media is fueling a panic, and the government is seen as doing nothing to prevent the spread of Ebola.
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    FedGov is doing nothing EFFECTIVE to isolate EVD.
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    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/...at_pco=cfd-1.0

    The airline should be held to account for perpetuating misinformation, then acting on misinformation, that directly affects a citizen's liberty.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/...at_pco=cfd-1.0The airline should be held to account for perpetuating misinformation, then acting on misinformation, that directly affects a citizen's liberty.
    Yep, I'm gonna go traveling while febrile and vomiting. I'd just feel so carefree and - well, like airtravel in a twenty-inch seat on a alate sardine can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/travel...are/index.html

    The airline is responsible for he being subjected to DR officials.
    The world is ending..and this guy is smiling...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And people actually stayed in the cabin ... no one pulled the emergency chute...and no one tore off the responders protective tyvek headgear from the responders either.
    Lol, yes, remarkably calm...

    Everyone knew what was going on.

    So either a) everyone knew it was BS or b) everyone does not mind dying or c) they were total sheep awaiting a slaughter
    or d) everyone realized if they actually were exposed, there was nothing they could at at that point to make things better except to let protocol run it's course.

    I would have been off that plane pronto !
    And what, exactly, do you think the protocol is for those law enforcement officers who were surrounding the aircraft while it was parked on the tarmac?
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