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    Roll call. How many Freemasons on OCDO?

    I'll start. Bath lodge 55, Owingsville, KY.


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    It is a secret.
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    Id tell you but of have to kill you...
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    Should have counted on such responses. Thanks anyhow.


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    There is no such thing as a "secret mason." I didn't ask anyone to divulge Masonic secrets. I just asked if anyone else was a F&AM.


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    The first rule of being a freemason...
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    There are a number here that have been so recognized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
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    Wait, Mason's operate bath houses? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I am a Confessing Lutheran, I am not a Mason, though I am sympathetic to their cause vis-a-vis Declaratio de associationibus massonicis. For those reasons, as in the Declaratio, secrets should be kept secret.
    There are "Confessing Lutherans" within my ELCA church who are active Freemasons and, in fact, one of the Deacons is a Past Master of his Masonic Lodge. My Pastor has no problem with Masons being members, but it is my understanding that one cannot be ordained if they are a Mason.

    The whole kerfluffle, as I understand it, relates to Freemasonry's requirement of belief in a Supreme Being without requiring belief in a specific religion. Since most religions, on principle, demand that its members believe in that religion's specific doctrine to the exclusion of others, and since Freemasonry does not adhere to one specific religious belief, they have been declared anathema by several organized religions. Thus, religions tend to be divisive rather than inclusive.

    The idea that Freemasonry is antithetical to any religion is not supported by fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Freemasonry is anathema to orthodox religions, Catholic, Eastern, et cetera. Oh, and Islam.

    Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism rose with the reformation. See the history of the Scottish Rite from 1535, following Luther's 1515 The Ninety-Five Theses on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences Disputatio pro declaratione virtutis indulgentiarum.

    Thank goodness religions are discerning and divisive of good from evil.
    If you are categorizing Freemasonry as 'evil' then you simply know nothing about Freemasonry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    If you read that from a Confessing Lutheran and Rosicrucian than you are incapable ... impotent ... insensate
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    If you are categorizing Freemasonry as 'evil' then you simply know nothing about Freemasonry.
    My late former father-in-law was a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason. His daughter (my wife at the time) had a book in our library that was written by a former Mason which revealed a lot of secrets, and spoke of much of the evil he had seen done to let members in good standing get away with evil acts, and to punish those who "betrayed" the lodge in any way.

    One morning when they were visiting, she got up to find him reading the book with his morning coffee. He finished it and said, "It's all true." He took off his ring and never attended another meeting, but he was afraid --truly afraid-- to openly renounce membership, or even stop paying dues.

    This is a man who retired from the Army and then spent a second career working in the county courthouse, finally retiring as the elected tax assessor. He saw all the inner workings of the local government, and knew exactly how they were tied together with Freemasonry.

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    I have been trying for years to find a free mason, but the only ones I have found so far charge too much money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    My late former father-in-law was a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason. His daughter (my wife at the time) had a book in our library that was written by a former Mason which revealed a lot of secrets, and spoke of much of the evil he had seen done to let members in good standing get away with evil acts, and to punish those who "betrayed" the lodge in any way.

    One morning when they were visiting, she got up to find him reading the book with his morning coffee. He finished it and said, "It's all true." He took off his ring and never attended another meeting, but he was afraid --truly afraid-- to openly renounce membership, or even stop paying dues.

    This is a man who retired from the Army and then spent a second career working in the county courthouse, finally retiring as the elected tax assessor. He saw all the inner workings of the local government, and knew exactly how they were tied together with Freemasonry.
    Anecdotal. There are disreputable men in every organization, e.g., Catholic Priest pedophiles, but that does not mean the institution is evil. Freemasonry has existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years and has evolved from operative tradesmen's guilds into Speculative Freemasonry with the cognoscenti of every age and just about every country as members. The Tenets of Brotherly Love, Relief (Charity) and Truth are integral to membership. Here in the U.S., the Freemason community donates an average of two million dollars a day to charity. The 22 Shriners hospitals provide comprehensive medical care regardless of the patients' parents ability to pay. Sorry your father-in-law had a bad experience that was exacerbated by reading a book written a "former" Mason.
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    Greek Orthodox Mason here. 32 Scottish Rite as well. OP is just asking if there are Masonic Brothers here, not to divulge secrets. Of course, you will get funny responses with that question but it's certainly not unreasonable to ask.

    It's so comical hearing some of these stories about how Masons "punished those who spoke ill of the lodge or helped them steal babies souls"... It gets old guys, you sound like someone from the Spanish Inquisition.

    Our Ritual binds us but we are God fearing men seeking to better ourselves through symbolism and allegory. We do lot's of fundraising to help others and our members and even more community service. Some lodges may be more exclusive than others or have some debate on certain topics but it sounds like your brother in law is not adhering to the principles of Freemasonry himself. Scared to stop pay dues? Please, they're like $40-70 per year depending on where your lodge is. More than likely, he didn't get elected to an office or had a disagreement with someone there and stopped going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post

    The whole kerfluffle, as I understand it, relates to Freemasonry's requirement of belief in a Supreme Being without requiring belief in a specific religion. Since most religions, on principle, demand that its members believe in that religion's specific doctrine to the exclusion of others, and since Freemasonry does not adhere to one specific religious belief, they have been declared anathema by several organized religions. Thus, religions tend to be divisive rather than inclusive.

    The idea that Freemasonry is antithetical to any religion is not supported by fact.
    I agree this is why FM gets a bad name, especially in the South. Heck, i cant even buy beer on Sundays in Arkansas, where's the separation of church and state there? One thing that all religions have in common is that if you dont believe as they believe, you are going to hell. Masonry is inclusive of all religions that believe in a singular diety which counters most religions therefore there have been many kerfluffles as you so elegantly put it between religion and FM.

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    Got invited to join by a seasoned citizen relative. Went to a lodge and asked why there were no windows...no windows, no joining for me. Even a VFW has a window or two and they really don't need them.
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    Masonry, in and of itself, is a fine organization with some noble aims. Unfortunately, there are those within the organization who, while having sworn to live up to those aims, ignore them in everyday life, even as concerns a brother Mason.

    Now you know why I am no longer a Mason. I encountered far too many who ignored the oaths they took; one of whom was a Chief Warrant Officer in the Army who told me, "I don't let that interfere with my life," when asked how he squared some of his actions with his being a Mason.

    It's rather sad to me, as my maternal grandfather was a Mason and was highly respected in his community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Got invited to join by a seasoned citizen relative. Went to a lodge and asked why there were no windows...no windows, no joining for me. Even a VFW has a window or two and they really don't need them.
    No one would ever invite you to join.. they may have invited you to the Lodge to meet some guys/see what it's like. The Ritual is supposed to be secret, hence the no windows. All fraternal organizations want to keep their Rituals secret, that's the whole point.....Why is that a big deal to you?

    If you didn't care for the guys there, that's fine but please don't dismiss an organization that you know nothing about because you feel the need to see the trees outside.


    SFCRretired.. you say a few bad apples caused you to leave? Doesn't that go against the Ritual itself? If a bad apple in any organization causes you to leave, you surely can't be military, have a job or anything for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    No one would ever invite you to join.. they may have invited you to the Lodge to meet some guys/see what it's like. The Ritual is supposed to be secret, hence the no windows. All fraternal organizations want to keep their Rituals secret, that's the whole point.....Why is that a big deal to you?

    If you didn't care for the guys there, that's fine but please don't dismiss an organization that you know nothing about because you feel the need to see the trees outside.
    Well...

    Prince Hall Grand Lodge F.&A.M. of Missouri and Jurisdiction,
    4525 Olive Street, St. Louis, MO 63108
    ...this one has windows.

    Grand Lodge of South Carolina, AFM, 1445 Pisgah Church Rd, Lexington, SC 29072...nor does this one.

    M.W. Prince Hall Grand Lodge of F&AM of the State of South Carolina, 2324 Gervais Street, Columbia, SC 29204 (Not recognized by Mainstream counterpart)...this one neither.

    1st Masonic District - 8 Lodges, Charleston County, 438 Whilden St Mount Pleasant, SC 29464...no windows here.

    Carolina 375 AFM, 5929 Murray Dr, Hanahan, SC 29410...or here.

    Spent 20 years riding fast boats...windows are kind of a big thing with me after I retired.

    I'll not call for a cite to the "all fraternal organizations" claim, would be impossible for you to provide. But the claim is out there.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    excuse me... "most" look guys, if it isnt for you, that's fine but please don't bash it because it doesn't have windows or they're blocked off. Some Lodges do have windows in the front reception/meeting/dining area but the actual lodge room doesnt have them "usually". If it does, they're painted or something on the inside.

    Internet trolling at its finest here.

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