The MURDER of Timothy Mitchell

marshaul · Oct 20, 2014

Firearms Iinstuctor said:
I thought his chief said it was justified?

The chief is middle management. He should be fired as well.

The Truth · Oct 20, 2014

Well I'm sold! The chief says it's justified...call off the investigation and close the thread!

:lol:

Maverick9 · Oct 20, 2014

FreeInAZ said:
If I know my local PEACE officer and know he/she to be of good character, then yes I would help.

You'd be taking a considerable risk. If another cop drives up and sees you and another guy in a scuffle, he won't know if you're trying to help. Good chance of getting shot yourself. Oopsie.

Firearms Iinstuctor · Oct 20, 2014

marshaul said:
The chief is middle management. He should be fired as well.

Every body can be given their walking papers.

FreeInAZ · Oct 20, 2014

Maverick9 said:
You'd be taking a considerable risk. If another cop drives up and sees you and another guy in a scuffle, he won't know if you're trying to help. Good chance of getting shot yourself. Oopsie.

Yep, there is a risk, but that's the case with everything in life. To me it's worth the risk to aid someone I know to be a asset to the community. If possible, I'd be on the line with 911 telling them exactly what I look like and who the back up should avoid turning into Swiss cheese. You are correct though, it is a risky move.

sudden valley gunner · Oct 20, 2014

marshaul said:
No. They'll work the way their employers demand, or they can seek other employment.

marshaul said:
The chief is middle management. He should be fired as well.

+1

sudden valley gunner · Oct 20, 2014

Primus said:
Did he have a taser? I asked this question at the start. If he did then I agree (as I also previously said) it may have been excessive. If he did NOT and his only choices were either go hands on and HOPE he doesn't get knocked out and killed with his own gun or HOPE the guy doesn't have any weapons on him or draw firearm and give verbal commands... Which do you think you would do?

Also, again I'll refer to and ask, what happened PRIOR to this incident. Why was he being chased? There is a thing called totality of circumstances. At this time we have very little of the circumstances. Which is clearly the goal of the thread. Show the few minute video of an incident that could have taken a half hour from initial contact to chase to crash to engagement.

Business as usual for some.

What happened prior is irrelevant, your job is to hold your emotions in check on not be judge and jury and executioner.

The Truth · Oct 20, 2014

These are relevant here too.

Mike Brown

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5Z_OFn5hs

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AG_-EXd9Es

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0rf2OIOxLw

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YlepdVfiZo

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ins9VAo-xLY

this guy, holding a baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDIK4bOpwk

this guy, watering his neighbor's lawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6S7LRrCru8

Only took me about 5 minutes to find these 7 links on YouTube. It's that easy to find this fascist garbage.

WalkingWolf · Oct 20, 2014

sudden valley gunner said:
What happened prior is irrelevant, your job is to hold your emotions in check on not be judge and jury and executioner.

I agree, but my perception is that the police officer was indeed in danger, and not only hesitated before firing he retreated several steps.

As you have seen I don't take a anti or pro cop view, but a pro common sense view. I disagree with Primus reasons for calling it justified.

sudden valley gunner · Oct 20, 2014

WalkingWolf said:
I agree, but my perception is that the police officer was indeed in danger, and not only hesitated before firing he retreated several steps.

As you have seen I don't take a anti or pro cop view, but a pro common sense view. I disagree with Primus reasons for calling it justified.

I agree was being specific about Primus's reasoning.

I don't have enough info to judge this incident.

marshaul · Oct 20, 2014

WalkingWolf said:
I agree, but my perception is that the police officer was indeed in danger, and not only hesitated before firing he retreated several steps.

I'm inclined to agree, which is why in this case my emphasis is on better training and tactics.

He was in danger, but it didn't rise to the level of imminent lethality (at least, not without his own gun being drawn and deployed). A taser would be more than adequate enough of the time that I'm comfortable saying cops who don't like the risk should quit.

Incidentally, whether or not he had a taser is irrelevant to my concern because I'm not advocating criminal charges (based solely on what I saw), and if he didn't have one then I'm advocating he be provided one and trained to use it most of the time he would otherwise deploy his firearm.

davidmcbeth · Oct 20, 2014

notalawyer said:
Forgive me I misread you post.....I've corrected mine reply below.

You continue to advance towards me while I have a gun drawn on you, I'll will likely map dump into you.

Is that better?

If I upholster a handgun .. its not for show or to threaten .. its to shoot; I have already made that decision.

Any time anyone pulls a gun out, its to shoot.

Not justified in the OP's posted incident.

Primus · Oct 20, 2014

marshaul said:
I'm inclined to agree, which is why in this case my emphasis is on better training and tactics.

He was in danger, but it didn't rise to the level of imminent lethality (at least, not without his own gun being drawn and deployed). A taser would be more than adequate enough of the time that I'm comfortable saying cops who don't like the risk should quit.

Incidentally, whether or not he had a taser is irrelevant to my concern because I'm not advocating criminal charges (based solely on what I saw), and if he didn't have one then I'm advocating he be provided one and trained to use it most of the time he would otherwise deploy his firearm.

Best post I've read so far. +1

notalawyer · Oct 20, 2014

davidmcbeth said:
If I upholster a handgun .. its not for show or to threaten .. its to shoot; I have already made that decision.

Any time anyone pulls a gun out, its to shoot.

Not justified in the OP's posted incident.

Thanks for your opinion.

Firearms Iinstuctor · Oct 21, 2014

davidmcbeth said:
If I upholster a handgun .. its not for show or to threaten .. its to shoot; I have already made that decision.

Any time anyone pulls a gun out, its to shoot.

Not justified in the OP's posted incident.

No defensive display is a valid use of a firearm if one can defuse or stop the attack with out firing a shot so much the better.

LEOs use defensive display to get people to comply or not to carry through with their desires to attack them.

Many criminals have surrendered to Law enforcement when face with the possibility of being shot.

Having the mind set I well shoot each and every time I pull my gun is asking to shoot some one who doesn't need to be.

The decision and need to shoot can change during the time it takes to draw your weapon.

I can relate several times when the actions requiring one to draw their weapon stopped during the draw.

Even warning shot or shots can be warranted as seen in the below newly posted thread.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...ence-reports&p=2104186&viewfull=1#post2104186

Big Gay Al · Oct 28, 2014

Primus said:
Your links broken.

And why only 3 minutes of video? What happened prior to the shooting? Why was this dude walking toward the officer? To shake his hand?

Why were the cops chasing him?

PS. Every time someone is killed by another its MURDER. Difference is whether or not its "justified" as in say self defence. So why your title is meant be sensational. Its really just stupid.

The correct terminology is homicide. Homicide is called murder, if it's determined to that it wasn't justified. If it was justified, then it's called, "justifiable homicide."

The Truth · Oct 28, 2014

Big Gay Al said:
The correct terminology is homicide. Homicide is called murder, if it's determined to that it wasn't justified. If it was justified, then it's called, "justifiable homicide."

His comment was just trying to be sensational, and instead came off as stupid.

Big Gay Al · Oct 28, 2014

The Truth said:
His comment was just trying to be sensational, and instead came off as stupid.

I think I'm gonna get a bag of popcorn, then sit back and watch.

Primus · Oct 28, 2014

Big Gay Al said:
I think I'm gonna get a bag of popcorn, then sit back and watch.

It might get stale. I'm in no mood to deal with kids tonight.

The Truth · Oct 28, 2014

Big Gay Al said:
I think I'm gonna get a bag of popcorn, then sit back and watch.

I <3 you Big Gay Al!

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