Whether a person is turning their life around does not mean squat. I am surprised that a claimed police officer would not understand that force is either justified or not justified. This case IMO is clearly justified, because of evidence provided in the video. TM was justified because the young man was beating another man to death, MB IMO was not justified, nothing justifies killing a man with his hands raised.
The problem I have is people who are so ignorant they cannot use common sense to see past their bias. A police officer who does not understand the use of force, and actually thinks some people deserve to die based on their personality do not belong behind a badge, or a gun.
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At least you convey your opinion on this shooting in a way that I can respect, even if I disagree.
Meanwhile, if someone flinches in the general direction of a cop it's a justified shoot to Trollmus...I mean Primus. I explain how easy it can be to take very accurate and thus very few shots at a perp at 35 feet, which is much further than the "21 foot rule," but apparently the whole point of that post was totally over Primus's head. Nah, he'd rather condescend and thumb his nose at the notion that a well trained cop is a better, safer cop. And yes, I can judge your character and your level of personal responsibility and accountability by your condescension in this case, because your condescension does not originate from logic or a more enlightened perspective - it originates from the utter contempt you feel for people who make mistakes or who disobey authority - and you believe they should pay with their lives. That's f#$%ed.
The use of force can't be "maybe excessive." It is or it isn't. If you can't answer in the negative then it is apparent that you agree that the force used was excessive, therefore you have no argument whatsoever and all this other drivel is pointless. But you guys don't need me to tell you that...
marshaul said:
Exactly why the police need to be trained in better tactics, unless you think people deserve to be killed for making poor decisions.
As it stands, police are trained to point guns at drunk people, which means when the drunk people do dumb things the cops are basically forced to shoot them.
So, yeah, police need to man up and accept some risk. They ought to be trained to point, if they really feel it's necessary, nothing more than a taser at a drunk guy (unless he's demonstrated more serious force).
What I would do is irrelevant, because I didn't choose to be a cop. Seriously. If someone doesn't like it, then they, too, should choose not to be a cop.
If all we're gonna do is shoot "druggies" the first time they do something dumb, what the hell do we need cops for? Any Joe Blow with a handgun could do that, if that was what we as a society really wanted. Except for one thing: it isn't.
+100 This is the point that some people, mostly statists or current LEOs, do not understand.
firearms instructor said:
Would you please inform us how many drunks that wanted to attack you that you have or tried to take into custody.
Where did you get all this experience in handling them.
With you being a subject matter expert on it.
There is large amount of money to be made teaching LEOs how to do this each and every time with out hurting any body.
We all know drunks, druggies and crazy people all make good and wonderful rational decisions when they come into contact with others.
I have many many years' experience dealing with drunks and "policing them." I've never been in LE, but that isn't a requirement for dealing with people in a peaceful yet assertive and authoritative way. I'd rather not go into personal details like my profession, but I assure you, physical aggression is not necessary most of the time. No one is arguing the rationality of an intoxicated person's mind.
The cops that perpetrate bad shoots or excessive force upon unarmed victims are scared BETA HUMANS. They and people like them will never understand a different perspective because they just aren't wired that way. They don't get it so they argue their perspective as if a true alpha male is really going to accept BETA behavior as acceptable, and it just ain't gonna happen. But it falls on deaf ears...
