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CPL = Anti Gun

Plan B

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I pulled over to tell someone to get out of the road, they said I ran them off the road. He said/she said. Reckless driving, didnt have a thing to do with guns. Both I and the other party should have gotten a disorderly, but they go after the money these days.

Yes I can get it back, and I'm licensed in other states.
 
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SpringerXDacp

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Plan B said:
Eric Frein, well, no I agree. But Snowden, we need more of those.

Hindsight I guess is 20/20. Once you lose your CPL the whole thing just opens up for you and you can see what it really does to a persons rights. Some people just pay the bully on the playground to let them eat their own lunch quietly.
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As I stated previously, I don't think that is unusual. Until Michigan becomes ConCarry, don't do anything you feel may jeopardize your CPL status. Winning a battle for ConCarry is likely not going to happen while on school grounds, in a bar, or on the side of the road. Contrary to popular belief, I think our firearm laws have improved since shall issue. i.e. Suppressors, SBRs & SBSs, HB5225, to name a few. While this may not be considered improving/restoring our rights, it's still an improvement nonetheless.
 
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Plan B said:
I pulled over to tell someone to get out of the road, they said I ran them off the road. He said/she said. Reckless driving, didnt have a thing to do with guns. Both I and the other party should have gotten a disorderly, but they go after the money these days.

Yes I can get it back, and I'm licensed in other states.
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Can you cite the law you were found guilty of breaking and where it says they can take your CPL?
 
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Wow...reckless driving = 8 years of not being allowed to have a Concealed Pistol License? That is absolutely insane.

And you have to have not been charged in the 8 years prior to even apply? WTF?
 
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SpringerXDacp said:
Reckless Driving is an 8-year disqualifer: Subsection (7)(h)(iv)

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(s1...eg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-28-425b

Reckless Driving (misdemeanor, immediate suspension), Subsection (3):

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(s1...leg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-28-428
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The Truth said:
Wow...reckless driving = 8 years of not being allowed to have a Concealed Pistol License? That is absolutely insane.

And you have to have not been charged in the 8 years prior to even applying? WTF?
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First link refers to making application for a permit. Must not have been disqualified as permit is alledged to have been issued. What details are we missing here?

Second link states:
"If the board determines that the individual has been found responsible for 3 or more state civil infraction violations of this act during the license period, the board shall conduct a hearing and may suspend the individual's license for not more than 1 year."

See nothing that indicates that an existing permit can be suspended/revolked for 8 years.
 
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Grapeshot said:
First link refers to making application for a permit. Must not have been disqualified as permit is alledged to have been issued. What details are we missing here?

Second link states:
"If the board determines that the individual has been found responsible for 3 or more state civil infraction violations of this act during the license period, the board shall conduct a hearing and may suspend the individual's license for not more than 1 year."

See Subsection (3), not Subsection (1)

See nothing that indicates that an existing permit can be suspended/revolked for 8 years.
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A county gun board will not issue a CPL for any conviction which falls under the 8-year diqualifiers within the 8-years prior to application for the CPL. This means, the county board will not reinstate a CPL for at least 8-years after the conviction.
 
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SpringerXDacp said:
Reckless Driving is an 8-year disqualifer: Subsection (7)(h)(iv)
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Wow! that's a bit over the top. Seems cops always have the option of throwing that charge on top of what ever else they might have stopped you for.

The only traffic violation I know in NC that disqualifies someone for a CHP is a DUI, and only for 3 years.
 
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XD40sc said:
Wow! that's a bit over the top. Seems cops always have the option of throwing that charge on top of what ever else they might have stopped you for.

The only traffic violation I know in NC that disqualifies someone for a CHP is a DUI, and only for 3 years.
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Same here in Michigan but only for the first offense. A second offense becomes an 8-year disqualifier. The third offense, is a felony. i.e. No firearms or CPL.
 
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There is a reason MI gets a "B" from the Brady Campaign. Pistol registration, high permit fees, red tape, purchase permits for private sale pistols that must be obtained from local PD, + too many dis qualifiers to list here, all help MI earn that grade. Good people .... Crappy legislature IMHO. :(
 
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FreeInAZ said:
There is a reason MI gets a "B" from the Brady Campaign. Pistol registration, high permit fees, red tape, purchase permits for private sale pistols that must be obtained from local PD, + too many dis qualifiers to list here, all help MI earn that grade. Good people .... Crappy legislature IMHO. :(
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In 2013 Michigan got a C, Texas got a F. Perhaps they do not know about open carry in Michigan. Open carry in schools and other things.
 
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In 2013 Michigan got a C, Texas got a F. Perhaps they do not know about open carry in Michigan. Open carry in schools and other things.
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This is good news! Hopefully you guys can get a F from them soon. You've fell a whole letter grade from them over the last couple of years, keep up the good work! :cool:
 
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You cannot have both the law, and the constitution, they are incompatible.
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How does that even remotely make sense? There are plenty (most) laws that don't conflict with the Constitution.
 
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I have no issue with any law that does not contradict the Constitution, specifically the second amendment.
 
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