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    Anti-gun Missouri Senator arrested, with a gun

    In Ferguson with the rest of the cream of the crop.

    http://fox2now.com/2014/10/21/state-...-intoxication/

    And here's her voting record.

    http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-v...asheed/37/guns

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    Imagine that, a hypocrite...

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    Politicians, man...

    May 14, 2013 HB 533 Authorizes State Employees to Keep Firearms in Vehicles Bill Passed - Senate (26 - 7) Nay


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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    Imagine that, a hypocrite...

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    Not necessarily. Many of them think that The People should not guns... and they are The Elite, not one of the little people. That's why they exempt themselves and certain groups from so many laws.
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    No breathalyzer for me ! she said

    Is this an automatic license revocation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    No breathalyzer for me ! she said

    Is this an automatic license revocation?
    She was not operating a vehicle so NO, it isn't!
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    She was arrested, and found with a loaded firearm concealed on her. She refused a breathalyzer test, stating ," Why should I, I am not Drunk"... or something similar. Missouri gun laws state: It shall be considered a felony to possess any loaded firearm while intoxicated. WHY wasn't the issue pushed a her forced to take a breathalyzer, there was probable cause by her actions and smell of alcohol........ Lets see..... she was black, she was a black woman, she was a black woman senator, she was a black woman protesting, she was a black woman- anti-gun-with a concealed firearm-protesting in the middle of the street- impeding traffic- smelling of alcohol, ect...... I guess the time has come, if your black, you don't have to obey the laws, just look at all the stuff that went down in Ferguson, you just scream, act stupid, riot, beat people up..... because you are black.... and all the sharptons and jacksons run and applaud you, in spite of what you did wrong, because you are black. Its getting really old , really fast...... unless your black .
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    Maybe this is the time for people of color to stand up for what they believe no matter what. Fight the unconstitutional treatment. Force people to ignore race based on a mutual respect for true liberty. Take a stand. Do it right. Maybe she is evolving and now her voting will reflect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Not defending Rasheed but read this from the MO laws. Notice the word AND that is the kicker.


    571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

    (5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9026543 View Post
    Not defending Rasheed but read this from the MO laws. Notice the word AND that is the kicker.


    571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

    (5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or
    I have asked this question to several cops, including the cop (LSTL I think) CCW instructor over at UD in St. Peters (several years ago), he/they (not all) seemed to ignore everything past the second comma. I wrote down, in the course guide, many notes (his comments), I'll organize them and post them, it has been some time and the views held then may be different today.
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    If I remember correctly, that statute was changed in 2013, so notes from several years ago would be expected to be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    I have asked this question to several cops, including the cop (LSTL I think) CCW instructor over at UD in St. Peters (several years ago), he/they (not all) seemed to ignore everything past the second comma.
    Does that mean you can't have it if intoxicated, until you need it, then it's OK?

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    Yep, but I would not recommend it.

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    No, it does not mean that. However there has not been a court case to decide if the verbiage after the second comma regarding:
    (5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or
    I am unable to find the wording of this statute as it existed back in the day of https://www.courtlistener.com/mo/a442/state-v-richard/
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    So it is legal in MO to be in possession of a loaded firearm as long as you have not or are not using it? Is there also no penalty for carrying concealed WITHOUT your CCW present?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegadez View Post
    So it is legal in MO to be in possession of a loaded firearm as long as you have not or are not using it? Is there also no penalty for carrying concealed WITHOUT your CCW present?
    I believe its a 35.00 fine, if caught, carrying concealed without the permit on your person, if you were cited for that. In Missouri LEO's just run your Drivers license and it will come up if you do or don't have the permit. So, if you were to be "CAUGHT", carrying concealed without your permit, the LEO who "CAUGHT" you, would simply run you drivers license. Its up to the LEO if they want to cite you.
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    It is a felony to possess a concealed weapon without a permit. It is perfectly legal to possess a firearm is you are intoxicated, if you don't handle or use it. There is a fine and court costs associated with carrying concealed without your permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    It is perfectly legal to possess a firearm is you are intoxicated, if you don't handle or use it.
    You can use it if acting in self defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    There is a fine and court costs associated with carrying concealed without your permit.

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    35.00 $ fine, per Missouri web site that is the minimum not sure about court costs, as I posted earlier, IF cited for carrying concealed without your permit on your person.
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    Some political subdivisions have a no booze & guns ordinance in their city codes. These code do not contain the "... and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner..." caveat contained within 571.030.1(5). I have yet to find a state appeals court/SSC decision that addresses this. The cited decision from 2009 has very little to do with you simply sitting on your front porch, packing heat, and you four beers into a six pack.

    571.010.1(11) "Intoxicated", substantially impaired mental or physical capacity resulting from introduction of any substance into the body;
    A cop would have to articulate (prove) that you are/were "substantially impaired" to get a intoxicated & packing heat charge to stick.

    Consider this; if you are deemed too impaired to merely possess a firearm (OC), how could you be not too impaired to defend yourself with that firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richieg150 View Post
    35.00 $ fine, per Missouri web site that is the minimum not sure about court costs, as I posted earlier, IF cited for carrying concealed without your permit on your person.
    Not to exceed 35 bucks. If it is a ticket, go to the cop shop and pay it like a parking ticket.
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    The old law was HORRIBLY written

    It was something to the effect of:

    "possession while intoxicated" however "intoxicated" and "possession" were BOTH undefined and this was indeed a felony firearms charge.

    Basically, if you were having a beer on your porch and had an unloaded, disassembled and broken firearm locked inside the house in a locked safe you could be charged and convicted under the old law.

    Now I am going to come to her defense at this point because we are all equal under the law and despite the fact that she voted against every single protection afforded to her does not limit their existence.

    1. "Thought to be under the influence" well I am certainly not going to jump up and holler that the popo has this right because frankly it is just an often used LIE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT to go fishing for more, they are trained to use it. I have had them tell me I seemed to have been drinking and smelled like it when nothing but coffee and water had entered my body for MONTHS. Nothing about them putting it into their reports that they thought she might be drinking validates it in any way what so ever.

    2. Have you EVER heard this woman speak unscripted? Seriously, she might do ok on TV sometimes but if you go to a committee hearing where she speaks without a speech writer, you would swear she was drunk, high, on crack, on meth, on heroin, and sniffing glue all at the same time. I am not kidding you, it is hard to believe this woman is not actually legally retarded so if the cops do not know her already, it would be real easy to think she was impaired because of her idiotic behaviors and comments.

    3. She was not handling her firearm on any reports I have seen and the law is clear, intoxicated and handling in a negligent manner is what puts a person in violation.

    As far as the breathalyzer goes...FOR WHAT? In MO there is no public drunkenness law, she was not driving, she was not handling her firearm, what exactly were the cops fishing for? An opportunity to lie about what happened during the arrest and then be able to discredit any complaint with "proof" she was drunk and is not remembering correctly?

    Sorry, I think she is a **** as a politician, a total idiot lacking even average intelligence as a person, and a person with exactly the same protections under law as myself and this would be one of the few times ever she conducted herself wisely.

    I do still however think it is quite funny her drunk butt got swooped up by the popo for sitting in the street and refusing to move when ordered exposing her hypocritical position on guns, that is classic! She has done that in hearings at the capitol, even pointing out to everyone in the room her firearm, I am telling you, this is a live and in front of you idiot to be observed for true comic relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Not to exceed 35 bucks. If it is a ticket, go to the cop shop and pay it like a parking ticket.
    Not a criminal action is clearly defined, 571.121.1

    "Failure to comply with this subsection shall not be a criminal offense but the concealed carry permit or endorsement holder may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed thirty-five dollars."

    I would offer it is substantially LESS than a parking ticket and is one of the BETTER aspects to the MO CCW laws. Makes it VERY clear there is no path what so ever to turn it into a criminal action and arrest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    It was something to the effect of:

    "possession while intoxicated" however "intoxicated" and "possession" were BOTH undefined and this was indeed a felony firearms charge.
    That is substantially as I recall. I have a printout of 571 from back when I took my CCW class back in '06. There was discussion in the class about the issue and the lack of definition.
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    As long as you do not use the firearm is a negligent manner, you are breaking no law as RSMO is written. I carry when drinking all the time. There is even an exception to the penalty of subsection 5 that covers you if you needed to discharge in self defense.
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