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    The NYC hatchet attack

    Please........ PLEASE step back and look, this "attacker" ran around an INNOCENT bystander to attack a GOVERNMENT agent. This is NOT an attack on the American people, it is an attack on the GOVERNMENT............. An ENEMY TO US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Hatchet attack in Jamaica, Queens on Oct. 23, 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_c0MZB6YY

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    http://www.amny.com/news/jamaica-que...ured-1.9538780

    Jamaica, Queens, standoff with hatchet-wielding man ends with 4 officers injured



    AND ONE CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    The suspect first charged at 24-year-old Officer Joseph Meeker, striking him in the arm. He then struck the 25-year-old officer, Kenneth Healey, who suffered from a serious head injury, causing him to fall to the ground, Bratton said.

    The two other officers fired multiple times at the man, killing him, Bratton said. Police are still trying to identify the man.

    A 29-year-old woman, who was about a half a block away in front of the Conway department store, was caught in the crossfire and struck by a single bullet in the lower back, police said. She was recovering from surgery and in stable condition last night, Bratton said.
    Crossfire??????????????


    Only ONE "side" had firearms!!!!

    So the only CITIZEN was wounded BY police, as usual, in the big apple

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    Post more when you have more. Sounds like a NYC resident being a goof. There are about 10 million in that city.

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    Who swings a hatchet with 2 hands?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Maybe because it isn't a "hatchet" (typically used 1-handed) but an axe?

    Everyone assumes the reporters are using correct names -- you know, like they do when they call everything black an "assault rifle" -- but if they can't even tell guns apart, what makes people think they know anything about common tools? In this case, the psycho-assailant-guy looks to be holding an Estwing 26-inch "Camper's Long-Handled Axe" so 2-handed use would not be inappropriate at all, it'd be preferred.

    After all, you get more leverage that way when attacking groups of police officers, which is what you want when you use a Dark Ages/Medieval edged weapon (sans shield) against people with guns, yes?

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    Looks like a hatchet in the video to me...I guess I'm not up to snuff on my medieval weaponry terminology. That does not look like an ax though, far too small. I get the best swing with my hatchet gripped with one hand. Much quicker.

    Also, the NY Post is such garbage...

    "A hatchet-swinging psycho with Islamic militant leanings turned a busy Queens street corner into a scene of bloody chaos Thursday, chopping a rookie cop in the back of the head and slicing a second officer on the arm before two other officers shot him dead.

    In opening fire on the madman, cops accidentally wounded a bystander, *authorities said."
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    I just have to wonder if this attack was linked to hatred brought about by the police shootings of unarmed blacks. I don't condone it, but think we will see more of it.

    BTW isn't illegal in NY to posses a cutting instrument in public?
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    Sorry, Truth: My 18th Century Small Sword is much quicker than your hatchet. ;-)

    And yes, I DO use it 1-handed...


    P.S. You can always "choke-up" on a long-handled axe for "finer" work, but to get the most power delivered to the "cut-ee" you need to use 2 hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    Sorry, Truth: My 18th Century Small Sword is much quicker than your hatchet. ;-)

    And yes, I DO use it 1-handed.
    +1

    I'll take a mace over either
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    This might be an unpopular opinion. This incident is as much about islam as it is about the hatchet, or the color of the guys skin, or the fact he's male. This was an attack by a sick, broken individual. This individual happened to have a certain skin color, sex, and religious beliefs.

    I also am of the opinion that many of the ways islam is currently expressed are appealing to sick, broken individuals. I expect to see more of these attacks.
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    Truth,

    Mace vs. Small Sword. Should be interesting.

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    RW,

    We know that it's a bigger issue, we're just being trivial, if you will. But as I've said for many years, most politicians AND people in America just don't get the "Islam thing" as it IS a war of religions (and at least since the First Crusade) when you get down to it. Always will be, and it doesn't matter if America is no longer a Christian nation.

    But this incident DOES go to show people -- if I may paraphrase the famous sage Joe Bob Briggs (TV's Drive-In Theater and MonsterVision host) -- "Anything can happen at any time." Or what he actually said, "Anyone can die at any time." Certainly, both are true. :-(

    So at ALL times, CARRY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I just have to wonder if this attack was linked to hatred brought about by the police shootings of unarmed blacks. I don't condone it, but think we will see more of it.

    BTW isn't illegal in NY to posses a cutting instrument in public?
    "Take a chop outta crime?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I just have to wonder if this attack was linked to hatred brought about by the police shootings of unarmed blacks. I don't condone it, but think we will see more of it.

    BTW isn't illegal in NY to posses a cutting instrument in public?
    Yea that's it.

    He wasn't a crazy Muslim responding to calls from Isis to do lone wolf attacks against military and police. You know, like the other attacks in Canada that just happened. Nah, hes a rational guy who's upset about the oppression of the black man in NYC.

    You should be a detective. Regular sherlock holmes.
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    This guy is disheartened by this hatchet man as he has been petitioning for a ban on all hammers (for good reason):

    BAN THE HAMMER !

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    Queensland anti-terror raids: Radicals will use police action as recruitment tool, expert warns

    "We will also see from time to time that these are the kinds of events which will work as a fodder for these groups to get their radicalisation program going on, getting more and more recruitment," he said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-1...t-says/5755864
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Queensland anti-terror raids: Radicals will use police action as recruitment tool, expert warns

    "We will also see from time to time that these are the kinds of events which will work as a fodder for these groups to get their radicalisation program going on, getting more and more recruitment," he said.

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    True, but people feeling desperation is commonly recruited by crime families, and terrorists. I don't see it as out of the question that some radicals have reached to young blacks that feel they have been oppressed.
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    ...maybe the "suspect" (ain't that a joke) was "inspired" by that incident in London where the UK soldier (UNarmed) was attacked on the street and beheaded:

    "A man, believed to be a serving soldier, was attacked and beheaded with a machete in broad day light this afternoon in Woolwich, South London by two men in what is suspected to be a terror attack. The soldier was attacked with knives and meat cleavers following a car crash. Two black men in a blue Vauxhall car rammed into the soldier on John Wilson Street SE18, then jumped out of their car and started attacking him with meat cleavers. An eye witness said the attackers were "chopping this guy to pieces, literally hacking at something like it was a piece of meat". 05/22/2013." Posted May 23, 2013 by vlogger
    -- http://www.military.com/video/operat...2402785809001/

    [a video of the guy right after doing that -- 'splaining hisself, I guess -- is also on the page posted above. Later, I believe both "suspects" attacked the police who arrived, too.]


    ...except in this NYC case, one guy attacking a group of ARMED cops sounds like he expected to die...which is also characteristic of Islamic Suicide Bombers (killers). The important thing for them is the "political statement" -- if any in this case. Aside from the "bonus" terror factor. Since he's dead, there may never be an explanation why he did it.

    And that soldier in Canada shot while he was on guard (with an EMPTY MAGAZINE as per usual -- just window-dressing for tourists) -- yet no one mentions the obvious: Maybe guards should be FOR REAL! If HE had been, he might have seen it coming and could have defended himself. Not picking on Canada, however, I remember being on guard in the US Army in the late 1960s, ALSO with no ammo in the magazine (or even ON me). Governments didn't trust their soldiers being armed even back THEN, let alone nowadays.

    Tell you what: What you need with guys like the one picture below (and his buddy with him) is a gun with LIVE ammo in it, and preferably, a gun that can shoot these psycho/crackhead or political/religious zealot (or whatever) guys MULTIPLE times with a SERIOUS caliber/power-factor bullet. And liberals continue to ask why anyone "needs" a so-called "assault rifle."

    Incidents like the above are good reasons. Ferguson, MO, is another (and it may not be over YET in Ferguson, as they wait to see if the cop who shot Brown will be indicted or not).

    A semi-auto rifle/carbine is definitely "comfort food" in those kind of situations (or am I out in Left Field -- again).
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    True, but people feeling desperation is commonly recruited by crime families, and terrorists. I don't see it as out of the question that some radicals have reached to young blacks that feel they have been oppressed.
    I don't think your run-of-the-mill oppressed black man is interested in committing suicide in the name of Islam. Not sure how you're making the connection...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Truth,

    You'll probably need to consult Louis Farrakhan Muhammad, Sr. for answers on that one.

    If he doesn't know, then who does. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    ...maybe the "suspect" (ain't that a joke) was "inspired" by that incident in London where the UK soldier (UNarmed) was attacked on the street and beheaded:

    "A man, believed to be a serving soldier, was attacked and beheaded with a machete in broad day light this afternoon in Woolwich, South London by two men in what is suspected to be a terror attack. The soldier was attacked with knives and meat cleavers following a car crash. Two black men in a blue Vauxhall car rammed into the soldier on John Wilson Street SE18, then jumped out of their car and started attacking him with meat cleavers. An eye witness said the attackers were "chopping this guy to pieces, literally hacking at something like it was a piece of meat". 05/22/2013." Posted May 23, 2013 by vlogger
    -- http://www.military.com/video/operat...2402785809001/

    [a video of the guy right after doing that -- 'splaining hisself, I guess -- is also on the page posted above. Later, I believe both "suspects" attacked the police who arrived, too.]


    ...except in this NYC case, one guy attacking a group of ARMED cops sounds like he expected to die...which is also characteristic of Islamic Suicide Bombers (killers). The important thing for them is the "political statement" -- if any in this case. Aside from the "bonus" terror factor. Since he's dead, there may never be an explanation why he did it.

    And that soldier in Canada shot while he was on guard (with an EMPTY MAGAZINE as per usual -- just window-dressing for tourists) -- yet no one mentions the obvious: Maybe guards should be FOR REAL! If HE had been, he might have seen it coming and could have defended himself. Not picking on Canada, however, I remember being on guard in the US Army in the late 1960s, ALSO with no ammo in the magazine (or even ON me). Governments didn't trust their soldiers being armed even back THEN, let alone nowadays.

    Tell you what: What you need with guys like the one picture below (and his buddy with him) is a gun with LIVE ammo in it, and preferably, a gun that can shoot these psycho/crackhead or political/religious zealot (or whatever) guys MULTIPLE times with a SERIOUS caliber/power-factor bullet. And liberals continue to ask why anyone "needs" a so-called "assault rifle."

    Incidents like the above are good reasons. Ferguson, MO, is another (and it may not be over YET in Ferguson, as they wait to see if the cop who shot Brown will be indicted or not).

    A semi-auto rifle/carbine is definitely "comfort food" in those kind of situations (or am I out in Left Field -- again).
    In respect for the guards to be armed "for real" I would disagree until regular citizens can also be armed accordingly which they are not allowed to be.

    This guard would have likely been willing to shoot and kill a citizen who was carrying ... just for carrying. Soldiers are not the people's friend anymore in this country nor I think in Canada.

    Why parents allow their children to become members of the military anymore is beyond my comprehension; and I come from a long line of family members of the past and present who have served. I discourage newer family members from serving and tell them exactly why their service may be used to oppress US citizens and inform them that they may be called on to shoot and kill their own family members for an illegitimate gov't interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I don't think your run-of-the-mill oppressed black man is interested in committing suicide in the name of Islam. Not sure how you're making the connection...
    What is a run of the mill black man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    True, but people feeling desperation is commonly recruited by crime families, and terrorists..
    And the Founding Fathers used it to recruit as well. Although under the current climate THEY would also be considered terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Yea that's it.

    He wasn't a crazy Muslim responding to calls from Isis to do lone wolf attacks against military and police. You know, like the other attacks in Canada that just happened. Nah, hes a rational guy who's upset about the oppression of the black man in NYC.
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    The Department of Homeland Security cites three ways young people find sites to become radicalized: browsing for entertainment; searching for a community to belong to; looking for information related to heritage, traditions, or ideologies associated with a particular radical group. Knowing this, terrorists are able to tailor their efforts to find the most likely recuits.

    Terrorist propaganda on sites is often meant to target these groups. By targeting both susceptible and marginalized members of society, terrorists exploit individuals’ feelings of loneliness, weakness, shame, or need for belonging. These can be shifted to target specific genders, age groups, economic classes, or ethnicities.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczyn...or-recruitment

    The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled left-wing urban militant group active between 1973 and 1975 that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders and other acts of violence.

    The SLA became internationally notorious for kidnapping media heiress Patty Hearst, abducting the 19-year-old as she and her 26-year-old boyfriend, Steven Weed, sat relaxing in their Berkeley, California home. Interest increased when Hearst, in audiotaped messages delivered to (and broadcast by) regional news media, denounced her parents and announced she had joined the SLA. She was subsequently observed participating in their illegal activities. Hearst later alleged that she had been held in close confinement, sexually assaulted and brainwashed.

    http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tm...tion_Army.html

    As far as I know the SLA was not a Muslim organization, yet they were terrorists who drew there members from the black community, that were disgruntled with government(police included).

    Thomas Strentz, a former profiler for the FBI, said those recruiting terrorists go after the same kinds of kids who wind up in cults. Typically, they are idealistic and easily swayed.

    "They express sympathy, but they are looking for poor souls to bring to the cause," Strentz said. "They offer them a chance to fight for freedom."


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