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    Open carry saves the day in Canada

    http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/wp-...ers-pistol.jpg

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    Sergeant-at-Arms of the Canadian Parliament Kevin Vickers moments after he put down Michael Zehaf-Bibeau. According to Tam, the gun is a S&W 5946.

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    Well,,,

    I was very proud of his actions!!!!

    Period...
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    He went to his office and retrieved the pistol from a locked box.
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    That's a great picture. Just another day as Sergeant at Arms....
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    The Sergeant at Arms narrative is so heart warming and "unifying".

    But................

    Anyone who closely listened to the shootout audio will realize at least 2 and most likely more guns were being fired at the deceased. My guess is from beginning to end 40 plus shots were fired.


    Everybody loves a great "story" however.

    Listen closely for youselves

    Globe and Mail footage captures shooting in Parliament building
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGqo...ature=youtu.be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    He went to his office and retrieved the pistol from a locked box.
    Let's hope he carries his firearm under his jacket, or they've upgraded the ceremonial sceptor with a red dot and a barrel shroud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    He went to his office and retrieved the pistol from a locked box.
    Have not heard this. Do you have a cite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    The Sergeant at Arms narrative is so heart warming and "unifying".

    But................

    Anyone who closely listened to the shootout audio will realize at least 2 and most likely more guns were being fired at the deceased. My guess is from beginning to end 40 plus shots were fired.


    Everybody loves a great "story" however.

    Listen closely for youselves

    Globe and Mail footage captures shooting in Parliament building
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGqo...ature=youtu.be
    Hard to tell how many shots were fired - lots of echo. Seemed like around 20 to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Have not heard this. Do you have a cite?

    Hard to tell how many shots were fired - lots of echo. Seemed like around 20 to me.
    I heard the 'went to office, retrieved out of desk' from a talking head. Not sure it's been in print. I also heard 'dozens' and '40' shots. Also one other besides the SoA shot. One pulled the barrel of the perp's gun to the ground at time=0 and got shot in the leg.

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    I contacted several gov't officials noting it took 30 rds to get this guy and that our mag. limit of 10 rds should be repealed or simply not enforced.

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    From the look of his dress I would say he was not open carrying. If he did not retrieve the pistol he was concealed carry. Not that there is anything wrong with that, concealed carry has always been seen as be armed if needed. Open carry IMO is be armed so it will not be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    From the look of his dress I would say he was not open carrying. If he did not retrieve the pistol he was concealed carry. Not that there is anything wrong with that, concealed carry has always been seen as be armed if needed. Open carry IMO is be armed so it will not be needed.
    The reality is that he retrieved the gun from a lock box, assumed to be in his office.

    Don't know if it is standard practice for the SAA to have a weapon, or if he did primarily because he is a former (29 year veteran) RCMP officer. The Sargent-at-Arms is primarily a ceremonial position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    I was very proud of his actions!!!!

    Period...
    Me too, but too bad only their government gets to defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I contacted several gov't officials noting it took 30 rds to get this guy and that our mag. limit of 10 rds should be repealed or simply not enforced.
    False assumption: It did not "take 30 rounds to get this guy." The first several rounds most likely stopped the threat. We have plenty of examples here in the States of LEOs doing mag dumps in the heat of the moment and during the adrenalin rush. Given that there were a number of LEOs in the hall firing, it's not unlikely that some or most of them were firing repeatedly. Writing to "several gov't officials" and saying that it took thirty rounds will be seen as hyperbole and lessen the impact of your statement, IMHO.
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    He's a government official. He doesn't have to follow the rules us peons do.

    I could care less what stopped the "terrorist".

    The "terrorist" would have been stopped after he shot the ceremonial guard if citizens were allowed ccw.

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    Open carry saves the day in Canada

    Was thinking about this today. A little bit more of the story from Kevin Vickers at a graduation speech.

    http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/...ting-1.3069949

    http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...-his-life.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Was thinking about this today. A little bit more of the story from Kevin Vickers at a graduation speech.

    http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/...ting-1.3069949

    http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...-his-life.html


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    Audio (1st link) did not work for me.

    The Star link doesn't go anywhere relevant.
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    Links work for me - both on iphone and desktop google chrome browser.

    The 2nd link has a transcript of the pertinent part of his recording:

    “That day was a blur to me,” he said. “I woke up about 5:30 in the morning and I was crying. It was the loneliest moment of my life.”
    Vickers, who is now the ambassador to Ireland, recounted how he came face-to-face with Zehaf-Bibeau on Oct. 22, after the gunman had shot and killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial and rampaged through the halls of Parliament.
    “I found myself on one side of the pillar, and a gunmen on the other side of the pillar,” he said matter-of-factly.
    He said Zehaf-Bibeau’s gun was so close to him, he thought he could just snatch it out of his hand — but Zehaf-Bibeau fired. Vickers, who had served in the RCMP for almost 30 years, reacted instinctively, diving to the floor and firing his own handgun up into the air, killing Zehaf-Bibeau.
    “I bumped up against a moment in history,” he said, quoting CTV journalist Craig Oliver.

    In the audio clip, I do not hear Vickers say anything along the lines of the article: '...firing his own handgun up into the air, killing Zehaf....".
    The comments below the first post talk about a security guard actually shooting and taking out the attacker, not Vickers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Links work for me - both on iphone and desktop google chrome browser.

    The 2nd link has a transcript of the pertinent part of his recording:
    “That day was a blur to me,” he said. “I woke up about 5:30 in the morning and I was crying. It was the loneliest moment of my life.”
    Vickers, who is now the ambassador to Ireland, recounted how he came face-to-face with Zehaf-Bibeau on Oct. 22, after the gunman had shot and killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial and rampaged through the halls of Parliament.
    “I found myself on one side of the pillar, and a gunmen on the other side of the pillar,” he said matter-of-factly.
    He said Zehaf-Bibeau’s gun was so close to him, he thought he could just snatch it out of his hand — but Zehaf-Bibeau fired. Vickers, who had served in the RCMP for almost 30 years, reacted instinctively, diving to the floor and firing his own handgun up into the air, killing Zehaf-Bibeau.
    “I bumped up against a moment in history,” he said, quoting CTV journalist Craig Oliver.

    In the audio clip, I do not hear Vickers say anything along the lines of the article: '...firing his own handgun up into the air, killing Zehaf....".
    The comments below the first post talk about a security guard actually shooting and taking out the attacker, not Vickers.
    Is Vickers then claiming credit for that which is not supported by evidence/facts?
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    I have found nothing where he claims that, but also have found nothing of an authoritative source that lays out details of who was involved in taking down the Perp.

    Was it just Vickers, or were there others? In the audio clip he says he jumped through the air and landed on the ground beneath the shooter. Nothing said about who/how Perp was taken out. Don't want t/b a conspiracist but just call me 'from Missouri - the Showme state.'


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    How about we stop the thread drift and get back to determining if Vickers was carrying (OC or CC) at the time the rodeo started?

    Trying to determine if he was instrumental in stopping the shooting, or how much more or less instrumental than others that were or were not there, seems like a waste of time.

    To me the bottom line is a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun, and did so a lot faster than a good guy without a gun could have.

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    Open carry saves the day in Canada

    Vickers at it again...over in Ireland.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/05...blin-ceremony/

    In a nod to Skidmark - thread is still off track...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Vickers at it again...over in Ireland.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/05...blin-ceremony/

    In a nod to Skidmark - thread is still off track...

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