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    Is there anything we can do to stop registration in Florida?

    It was alway beyond me why the enemy didn't put its efforts more into referenda. See Washington state with I-594. This is now going to spread like wildfire into other states. The enemy is stupid, but they've finally figured it out. Boobus does NOT support their agenda, but Boobus, whether GOP or DEM loves to have his ears tickled. While Boobus does not support the agenda of a Michael Bloomberg, they are easily fooled: "Well of course I don't want those nasty people to have guns, if you don't have anything to hide!.....". The more ridiculous results of I-594 will eventually be voided by the legislature or a kourt, but it's still a huge loss for us. I wish there was a way to head it off here.

    Big $ is going to come in and get the signatures and that will be that?
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Head them off with another referendum?.... of course that didn't work in Wa

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-control-laws/
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    IMO you gave people 2 choices .... if they would have only have had ONE, then its not an either-or situation...or at least how its perceived in peoples' minds.

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    I think NRA and FL Carry should put together a referendum for 2016.

    a) Every citizen has a fundamental right to bear arms in defense of himself or herself and the state. Any restriction on this right shall be subject to strict scrutiny.

    b) The state may not register firearms or keep a registry of firearms

    This cuts off a "universal background check" referendum at the knees as then such a law would be completely unenforceable.
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    594 isn't really a registration bill, though it does that too. The people pushing it were lying. The real purpose is to make every gun owner in WA a criminal. It makes handing your gun to somebody else, without a full background check, a crime. Then when they hand it back to you that's another crime. It arguably makes a shared safe at your home into a crime because of the way the bill defines "transfer". Go hunting and carry your buddies' gun? A crime. Try to teach your kids to shoot? A crime. Buy a gun as a gift? Another crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    594 isn't really a registration bill, though it does that too. The people pushing it were lying. The real purpose is to make every gun owner in WA a criminal. It makes handing your gun to somebody else, without a full background check, a crime. Then when they hand it back to you that's another crime. It arguably makes a shared safe at your home into a crime because of the way the bill defines "transfer". Go hunting and carry your buddies' gun? A crime. Try to teach your kids to shoot? A crime. Buy a gun as a gift? Another crime.
    Their goal was stealth registration imo. Mission accomplished. The legislature and kourts will deal with the extreme parts but registration, that is what they want to keep alive.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    I think NRA and FL Carry should put together a referendum for 2016.
    Florida's requirement of 60% to pass a referendum makes it extremely difficult.

    On Tuesday, 58% supported marijuana reform. That wasn't good enough.

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    Welcome to democracy .... how do you like it?

    That's where the majority oppresses the minority.

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    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...1112-post.html

    Absofreakinlutely. We are sitting ducks. Few states are safe from stealth registration. I will NOT comply
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    I'm glad I moved out of Florida two years ago.
    If you're not ashamed to own it, don't be ashamed to open carry it.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Concealed carry, where you HIDE the exercise of your right to carry arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Ten Beers View Post
    I'm glad I moved out of Florida two years ago.
    Where are you? This is going live nationwide.

    We need anti registration laws immediately to make the referendum a dead letter
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...1112-post.html

    Absofreakinlutely. We are sitting ducks. Few states are safe from stealth registration. I will NOT comply
    How would you not comply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    How would you not comply?
    Buy and sell guns without the "background check", i.e.; the simultaneous registration which is their goal. Dealer sales are a privilege pending registration on form 4473. They want the same with private exchanges among friends and neighbors.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    where are you? This is going live nationwide.

    we need anti registration laws immediately to make the referendum a dead letter
    huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Ten Beers View Post
    I'm glad I moved out of Florida two years ago.
    Well, don't be too sure. As an AZ resident, I know the mountain of manure (MAD moms, Bloomie and crew) will try something here again. How do I know? Because AZ is (among a select few states) a shining beacon in terms of the Constitutionally-protected Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
    These select few states aren't the best by any means, but a LOT closer than most states. As such, we are the epitome of everything these groups are against: the Rights of the individual, the Right to not be an easy target for victimization, the Right to the only reasonable method of self defense (ever seen or heard of an arthritic octogenarian successfully fend off a group of hulking young thugs with nothing but a cane? I haven't), and MOST IMPORTANTLY the Right to not be powerless against an agressor (criminal or badge-wearing; yes, that was the original intent, which is obvious to those who look at the context in which the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and later the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written).

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Welcome to democracy .... how do you like it?

    That's where the majority oppresses the minority.
    We never were and were never meant to be a democracy. Indoctrination (by the use of our tax dollars) at work in the younger generations.
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    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post
    huh?
    Couldn't the state make it illegal for it to keep a registry of guns?
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Couldn't the state make it illegal for it to keep a registry of guns?
    They could, but it would likely be no more effective than the Federal ban on BATF keeping a registry of guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Couldn't the state make it illegal for it to keep a registry of guns?
    They did, like 10 years ago.

    790.335 Prohibition of registration of firearms; electronic records.

    So any constitutional amendment would have to direct the legislature to change that and related statutes. That would get interesting.

    If the stoners could not get MJ approved with the amount of money dumped into that, there is even less hope for something like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post

    If the stoners could not get MJ approved with the amount of money dumped into that, there is even less hope for something like this.
    I'm not nearly as confident as you. I asked my neoconservative parents and grandparents and a friend if they would have voted for I-594 and they said yes. All of them are pro gun, have CWFL's and approve of OC, and voted No for the MJ amendment. When I asked them to consider the implications of such a law they recanted.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post
    I'm getting senile at 30. Now I remember sending out the NRA prompted email to lawmakers about this. 10 years ago sounds right.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Retail sold guns are registered. Private sold guns maybe not. Do not register your guns after purchase.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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