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Is there anything we can do to stop registration in Florida?

77zach

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It was alway beyond me why the enemy didn't put its efforts more into referenda. See Washington state with I-594. This is now going to spread like wildfire into other states. The enemy is stupid, but they've finally figured it out. Boobus does NOT support their agenda, but Boobus, whether GOP or DEM loves to have his ears tickled. While Boobus does not support the agenda of a Michael Bloomberg, they are easily fooled: "Well of course I don't want those nasty people to have guns, if you don't have anything to hide!.....". The more ridiculous results of I-594 will eventually be voided by the legislature or a kourt, but it's still a huge loss for us. I wish there was a way to head it off here.

Big $ is going to come in and get the signatures and that will be that?
 

davidmcbeth

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IMO you gave people 2 choices .... if they would have only have had ONE, then its not an either-or situation...or at least how its perceived in peoples' minds.
 

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I think NRA and FL Carry should put together a referendum for 2016.

a) Every citizen has a fundamental right to bear arms in defense of himself or herself and the state. Any restriction on this right shall be subject to strict scrutiny.

b) The state may not register firearms or keep a registry of firearms

This cuts off a "universal background check" referendum at the knees as then such a law would be completely unenforceable.
 
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randian

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594 isn't really a registration bill, though it does that too. The people pushing it were lying. The real purpose is to make every gun owner in WA a criminal. It makes handing your gun to somebody else, without a full background check, a crime. Then when they hand it back to you that's another crime. It arguably makes a shared safe at your home into a crime because of the way the bill defines "transfer". Go hunting and carry your buddies' gun? A crime. Try to teach your kids to shoot? A crime. Buy a gun as a gift? Another crime.
 

77zach

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594 isn't really a registration bill, though it does that too. The people pushing it were lying. The real purpose is to make every gun owner in WA a criminal. It makes handing your gun to somebody else, without a full background check, a crime. Then when they hand it back to you that's another crime. It arguably makes a shared safe at your home into a crime because of the way the bill defines "transfer". Go hunting and carry your buddies' gun? A crime. Try to teach your kids to shoot? A crime. Buy a gun as a gift? Another crime.
Their goal was stealth registration imo. Mission accomplished. The legislature and kourts will deal with the extreme parts but registration, that is what they want to keep alive.
 

77zach

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How would you not comply?
Buy and sell guns without the "background check", i.e.; the simultaneous registration which is their goal. Dealer sales are a privilege pending registration on form 4473. They want the same with private exchanges among friends and neighbors.
 

Rusty Young Man

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I'm glad I moved out of Florida two years ago.

Well, don't be too sure. As an AZ resident, I know the mountain of manure (MAD moms, Bloomie and crew) will try something here again. How do I know? Because AZ is (among a select few states) a shining beacon in terms of the Constitutionally-protected Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
These select few states aren't the best by any means, but a LOT closer than most states. As such, we are the epitome of everything these groups are against: the Rights of the individual, the Right to not be an easy target for victimization, the Right to the only reasonable method of self defense (ever seen or heard of an arthritic octogenarian successfully fend off a group of hulking young thugs with nothing but a cane? I haven't), and MOST IMPORTANTLY the Right to not be powerless against an agressor (criminal or badge-wearing; yes, that was the original intent, which is obvious to those who look at the context in which the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and later the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written).

Welcome to democracy .... how do you like it?

That's where the majority oppresses the minority.

We never were and were never meant to be a democracy. Indoctrination (by the use of our tax dollars) at work in the younger generations.
 
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77zach

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If the stoners could not get MJ approved with the amount of money dumped into that, there is even less hope for something like this.

I'm not nearly as confident as you. I asked my neoconservative parents and grandparents and a friend if they would have voted for I-594 and they said yes. All of them are pro gun, have CWFL's and approve of OC, and voted No for the MJ amendment. When I asked them to consider the implications of such a law they recanted.
 
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