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    Never hit a woman ??? Crazies at McDs - too late 4 breakfast - go crazy

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    Poor guy ... would he have been justified to shoot any of them?

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    Why in the hell didn't that guy deck those bitches, and yes that's what they are. He should have put them down hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
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    Poor guy ... would he have been justified to shoot any of them?
    Immediate threat of physical harm? Sure would. Though maybe if they had spotted an OCer they wouldnt have flipped out in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Immediate threat of physical harm? Sure would. Though maybe if they had spotted an OCer they wouldnt have flipped out in the first place
    There was a guy flipping out outside my hotel room once, bout to get hands on with his old lady before I stepped in and told him to leave. He looked like he wanted to get hands on with me. But then he saw my gun and ran away apologizing for waking me up at like 1am.

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    Where were the woman ? All I saw were some male gorillas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    There was a guy flipping out outside my hotel room once, bout to get hands on with his old lady before I stepped in and told him to leave. He looked like he wanted to get hands on with me. But then he saw my gun and ran away apologizing for waking me up at like 1am.

    Armed society is a polite society. Seen it first hand.
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    Hmmm.... looks like a good care for self defense there if that guy HAD shot at least the one. I mean, good God, a chair??? I'd certainly call that fearing for my life.

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    Actually, I'd call that situation a good case for minding one's own business. The customers were upset with McDonald's employees and did not go ballistic until another customer injected himself into the argument. When I am in a store, I am there to be a customer. I am not there to mediate or moderate others' behavior regarding store policy. Unless my family members or I are being subjected to deadly force or grievous bodily harm -- which was NOT the case in this situation -- my proper response is to leave the scene. I find it hard to understand how any regular contributor on OCDO feels like this situation could have justified the use of deadly force, especially since the man involved himself and helped to exacerbate the situation.
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    Ditto. IMO you're not there to make sure everyone places nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Actually, I'd call that situation a good case for minding one's own business. The customers were upset with McDonald's employees and did not go ballistic until another customer injected himself into the argument. When I am in a store, I am there to be a customer. I am not there to mediate or moderate others' behavior regarding store policy. Unless my family members or I are being subjected to deadly force or grievous bodily harm -- which was NOT the case in this situation -- my proper response is to leave the scene. I find it hard to understand how any regular contributor on OCDO feels like this situation could have justified the use of deadly force, especially since the man involved himself and helped to exacerbate the situation.
    +1 I am NOT actively seeking to put myself in a situation where I would have to defend myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    +1 I am NOT actively seeking to put myself in a situation where I would have to defend myself.
    Only when I go to the bathroom ...

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    Does anyone ever stop to think that: these asshats do this crap because they know that almost 100% of the time people will just sit idle on their hands and say nothing? When I was younger. Had I or any of my friends tried this crap, we would have gotten our @$$es kicked by someone there if not the whole restaurant. IMHO life was better then, compared to today. Wonder why? When you give evil people a inch of room to do ... whatever??? Expect them to push for miles of crime empowerment zones... Just saying - we get the society, we are willing to tolerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Does anyone ever stop to think that: these asshats do this crap because they know that almost 100% of the time people will just sit idle on their hands and say nothing? When I was younger. Had I or any of my friends tried this crap, we would have gotten our @$$es kicked by someone there if not the whole restaurant. IMHO life was better then, compared to today. Wonder why? When you give evil people a inch of room to do ... whatever??? Expect them to push for miles of crime empowerment zones... Just saying - we get the society, we are willing to tolerate.
    Well back in the reality of today if you do decide to do the right thing be prepared to be punished for it.

    Here's some helpful types you might fit in with.

    "Cops Assault And Arrest Two Marines Who Were Giving First Aid To An Unconscious Man"
    “What you’re seeing here appears to be assault and battery under color of authority and is definitely a violation of the civil rights of these Marines”

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/cops-as...us-man/198690/
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    What the hell are you talking about? You know nothing about me. I don't hurt anyone who doesn't try to hurt me or mine first. Big difference. Violence is the last thing I want, but I also will not sit quietly by and watch others be harmed. I will at minimum voice objection to criminal behavior. Today that is deemed wrong? So be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? You know nothing about me. I don't hurt anyone who doesn't try to hurt me or mine first. Big difference. Violence is the last thing I want, but I also will not sit quietly by and watch others be harmed. I will at minimum voice objection to criminal behavior. Today that is deemed wrong? So be it.
    What the hell are YOU talking about. I never said anything about you hurting anyone. I just pointed out that in the world of today your efforts of being helpful may be answered negatively.
    I then posted an article of some guys that were assaulted by the cops while giving first aid to someone.

    Just out of curiosity if you were there when "those asshats did this crap" what would you have done?
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    Your post can be read as I am somehow like those who committed crimes in the story you linked. Or I would be beaten like the Marines were. So you are reinforcing the notion of a "just shut up & you won't get hurt" society. My point earlier was look what that has yielded so far for us as a "civilized nation". Ever hear the old Indian saying " the twig is easily broken while the bundle is strong"? Also faulting service men for helping a defenseless citizen is vile at best IMHO. It is akin to blaming a person who got robed for wearing too nice of clothing or having a too expensive car, thus they asked to be robbed!

    To your question I would have recorded as much as I possibly could, and gathered as much witness information as possible from other people on site. That would be the best thing in a false arrest/ assault & battery situation such as this IMHO. YMMV. So be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Your post can be read as I am somehow like those who committed crimes in the story you linked. Or I would be beaten like the Marines were. So you are reinforcing the notion of a "just shut up & you won't get hurt" society. My point earlier was look what that has yielded so far for us as a "civilized nation". Ever hear the old Indian saying " the twig is easily broken while the bundle is strong"? Also faulting service men for helping a defenseless citizen is vile at best IMHO. It is akin to blaming a person who got robed for wearing too nice of clothing or having a too expensive car, thus they asked to be robbed!

    To your question I would have recorded as much as I possibly could, and gathered as much witness information as possible from other people on site. That would be the best thing in a false arrest/ assault & battery situation such as this IMHO. YMMV. So be it.
    In your post you complained because people do nothing. If you and your friends had acted that why you would have been beaten. Life was better back then. blah blah.
    Then you say if you were there you would have document as best as you can? I really don't understand I thought you were advocating for intervention.

    Anyway my whole point was that it was not advisable to get involved in the situation in OP. That doesn't mean necessarily not being a good witness but actual invention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    Well back in the reality of today if you do decide to do the right thing be prepared to be punished for it.

    Here's some helpful types you might fit in with.

    "Cops Assault And Arrest Two Marines Who Were Giving First Aid To An Unconscious Man"
    “What you’re seeing here appears to be assault and battery under color of authority and is definitely a violation of the civil rights of these Marines”

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/cops-as...us-man/198690/
    Because these Marines didn’t allow themselves to simply be manhandled by overly aggressive cops they now face up to 3 years in prison, and for what? For taking the time to assist someone they didn’t even know.

    Does it make a difference that its a member of the armed forces? Nope. You know that you cannot touch a cop, they are like reverse kiddie porn..touch one and you'll be the one getting rammed up the ba-zinger.

    You best have something so egregious that it would necessitate a response under you natural right to defend yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Actually, I'd call that situation a good case for minding one's own business. The customers were upset with McDonald's employees and did not go ballistic until another customer injected himself into the argument. When I am in a store, I am there to be a customer. I am not there to mediate or moderate others' behavior regarding store policy. Unless my family members or I are being subjected to deadly force or grievous bodily harm -- which was NOT the case in this situation -- my proper response is to leave the scene. I find it hard to understand how any regular contributor on OCDO feels like this situation could have justified the use of deadly force, especially since the man involved himself and helped to exacerbate the situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Does anyone ever stop to think that: these asshats do this crap because they know that almost 100% of the time people will just sit idle on their hands and say nothing?
    I'd just add to that as we are the militia and as we keep seeing warnings about never trusting LEOs, should we not step up? If the Militia member is armed, It would very likely pour cold water on a heated situation quite rapidly. And it will also give OCers a better name, as you can bet any potential victims will be talking about the situation as well as staff an managers in that establishment
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    Well back in the reality of today if you do decide to do the right thing be prepared to be punished for it.

    Here's some helpful types you might fit in with.

    "Cops Assault And Arrest Two Marines Who Were Giving First Aid To An Unconscious Man"
    “What you’re seeing here appears to be assault and battery under color of authority and is definitely a violation of the civil rights of these Marines”

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/cops-as...us-man/198690/
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    I have to agree with James Canby. Seriously. WHY get involved in a fight that doesn't involve you? Ok, ok. MAYBE if it's an able-bodied person beating on a person on crutches or in a wheelchair. But these women weren't. AFAIC he's trying to play hero and maybe hoping to get some open-range-heifer. I dunno. But I know he had it coming to him.\

    Did he have the right to draw down in this incident? By all means, no way. He precipitated the event. AFAIC he should have been charged. If I was the manager of that place I'd 86 him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan 5 View Post
    I have to agree with James Canby. Seriously. WHY get involved in a fight that doesn't involve you? Ok, ok. MAYBE if it's an able-bodied person beating on a person on crutches or in a wheelchair. But these women weren't. AFAIC he's trying to play hero and maybe hoping to get some open-range-heifer. I dunno. But I know he had it coming to him.\

    Did he have the right to draw down in this incident? By all means, no way. He precipitated the event. AFAIC he should have been charged. If I was the manager of that place I'd 86 him.
    By that logic, I assume you were in defense of Trayvon, as well? That type of reasoning means that if the KKK is marching through the streets, minorities have the right to assault them, because they 'precipitated the event,' as well...does it not? The man in the video had every right to be in the McDonalds eating his meal. Both he, and the females had every right to speak inside of the store. The women had NO right to assault him with dining furniture, and what looked like a broomstick.

    How about this?:

    Officer: *approaches you on the sidewalk* "I need to see some identification."
    You: "May I ask why?"
    Officer: *knocks you out and takes your ID from your wallet*

    Completely justified because you just HAD to open your mouth..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyBoy276 View Post
    By that logic, I assume you were in defense of Trayvon, as well? That type of reasoning means that if the KKK is marching through the streets, minorities have the right to assault them, because they 'precipitated the event,' as well...does it not? The man in the video had every right to be in the McDonalds eating his meal. Both he, and the females had every right to speak inside of the store. The women had NO right to assault him with dining furniture, and what looked like a broomstick.

    How about this?:

    Officer: *approaches you on the sidewalk* "I need to see some identification."
    You: "May I ask why?"
    Officer: *knocks you out and takes your ID from your wallet*

    Completely justified because you just HAD to open your mouth..
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