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    Russians can now carry guns for ‘self-defense’

    Russians can now carry guns for ‘self-defense’

    (Looks like we are going to need another spot in the International Gun Rights Section for Russia!)

    In a surprise move. Russia now allows citizens to carry guns for self defense purposes. Places that are off limits will be places that serve alcohol, places where demonstrations and protests take place and educational institutions. Self defense weapons are described as pistols, revolvers, smooth bore long guns (I guess they mean shotguns), and even Tasers and teargas devices.

    http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/



    "Russian gun licenses are to be renewed every five years, and applicants face strict background checks and are required to take gun safety courses. The addendum to the law now lists self-defense as a legally acceptable reason for carrying a weapon. "
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    I am not a lawyer, I study the history of gun control laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest View Post
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    Looks like we are going to need another spot in the International Gun Rights Section for Russia!
    Maybe - problem is that every unwed mother's son there is a spammer. Separating the wheat from the chaff would be difficult.

    Still the news is most interesting.
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    Off limits are places that serve drink eh? Guess you can carry nowhere.

    Who cares about the Russians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Off limits are places that serve drink eh? Guess you can carry nowhere.

    Who cares about the Russians?
    Same restrictions as many states have here, it is more freedom than DC.

    I CARE! The world anti gun sentiment gives politicians excuses for their people control laws. We so far have better gun laws then any other country in the world. But don't think for a second that our politicians want us to be disarmed, part of their excuse is that other countries are supposedly gun free or strict.

    Russia moving towards more liberty, though very restrictive, is good. Putin could have easily blocked this change, but it seems he cares more for his people than our politicians care for us.

    Plus he likes rubbing Obama's nose in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Off limits are places that serve drink eh? Guess you can carry nowhere.

    Who cares about the Russians?
    SERVES drinks, David - not where Russians drink even without the presence of a server.

    There are days when your shooting from the lip results in hits to your own backside. Most of them are days ending in the letter "y".

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    SERVES drinks, David - not where Russians drink even without the presence of a server.

    There are days when your shooting from the lip results in hits to your own backside. Most of them are days ending in the letter "y".

    stay safe.
    Skid he has a problem seeing the bigger picture, hell he has a problem seeing the image of reality...
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    All of the weapons shown are rubber bullet/slug guns. NOT modern (or even antique) firearms.

    My source in Russia confirms that neither rimfire nor centerfire firearms as we understand those are allowed. Only rubber bullets with a power of no nore than 25 joules (you go do the math to convert to foot-pounds).

    http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/russia.php

    Types of Firearms Permitted for Individual Possession
    The Law on Weapons defines three types of firearms based on the purpose for which they are used and their technical characteristics: civilian, service, and combat firearms, and edged weapons.[21] Manual combat firearms and edged weapons are intended for official operational tasks carried out by agencies and services, as defined by federal legislation. The list includes the armed forces, police, border protection services, tax police and customs, and some other agencies. “Service weapons” include weapons intended for use by officials of government agencies and employees of companies who have been permitted by law to bear, keep, and use arms for self-defense and for performance of the duties assigned to them for protecting individuals and their property, nature and natural resources, valuable and dangerous freight, and special correspondence.

    This report focuses on the circulation of civilian weapons, which can be used by Russian citizens for purposes of self-defense, hunting, and sports activities. The definition of the “circulation” of weapons was provided by the Russian Supreme Court in 1996 and includes the production (research, development, testing, artistic finishing, and repair), trade, sale, transfer, acquisition, collection, exhibition, accounting for, possessing, carrying, shipment, and transport of weapons.[22] The distinguishing characteristic of civilian firearms is that such firearms cannot be fired in bursts or have a cartridge capacity of more than ten bullets.[23]

    According to the Federal Law on Weapons, only Russian citizens can own civilian weapons in Russia. Foreign nationals are not allowed to own guns. They may receive police permits to acquire weapons based on requests from the embassies of the countries of their citizenship but are required to export their acquired weapons within five days after acquisition. Foreign hunters and sportsmen can bring their hunting and sporting weapons into the country for the duration of a hunting period or sporting event, as specified in their invitation.[24]

    Article 3 of the Federal Law on Weapons specifies the types of guns that can be used by individuals for self-defense, hunting, and sports activities. These include smooth-bore long-barreled firearms, smooth-bore long-barreled firearms if the rifled part of the barrel is no longer than 140 millimeters, and pneumatic weapons with power of up to 25 joules. Bearing long-barreled weapons for the purpose of self-defense is prohibited.[25] [emphasis added]

    An individual cannot have more than ten guns in his/her possession, with the exception of guns included in a registered collection of weapons. An individual’s possession of weapons cannot exceed five hunting rifled-bore guns and five smooth-bore long-barreled guns.[26]

    On the basis of a decree issued by the President, Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, or head of a federal military organization, Russian citizens can be awarded with weapons. This could include any type of civilian or short-barreled combat handgun. Award weapons are subject to possession and carrying requirements. Carrying permits must be issued by local gun registering authorities at the individual’s place of residence following the registration of an award weapon by the owner within two weeks after receipt. A weapon that can be fired in bursts and one that is prohibited by law for circulation on the territory of the Russian Federation cannot be given as an award.[27]

    Prohibited Weapons
    Special restrictions are imposed on the circulation of civilian weapons. Prohibited firearms are those with a cartridge capacity of more than ten bullets, those that can fire in bursts, those with a barrel length of less than 500 millimeters or an entire length under 800 millimeters, and those that can be shortened to a length of under 800 millimeters without losing their shooting capacity. Rifled-bore sporting guns and pneumatic guns with a pumping power of more than 7.5 joules and a caliber of more than 4.5 millimeters must be kept at shooting ranges.[28] [emphasis added]

    The list of prohibited firearms includes (1) those with shapes that imitate other objects; (2) cartridges with bullets for armor-piercing, incendiary, explosive, or tracer action; and cartridges with shot charges for gas pistols; (3) weapons and other objects whose destructive action is based on the use of radioactive radiation and biological factors; and (4) gas weapons charged with nerve-paralytic, toxic, and other substances not permitted for use by the government or gas weapons that can cause a medium degree of harm at a distance of more than one meter. Also, the sale and installation of silencers and sights for night vision are prohibited, with the exception of sights for hunting. The policy for using such sights has been specifically established by law. The Law on Weapons does not allow the shipping of weapons by individuals.[29]
    Also, be sure to read the list of places where you cannot shoot and the people you cannot shoot. LARCs (lawfully armed Russian citizens) need to call a time out and consult a cheat sheet (if not the actual lawbooks) to see if it's OK to unload a rubber bullet at someone.

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    From what I gather the law has been changed to allow lethal weapons for SD. Before the use of non lethal weapons was the only choice for home defense. Rubber bullets would not be considered lethal. Skid you may be looking at the law before yesterday when it was amended.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141118/1014887558.html

    Russian legislation has been amended allowing citizens to carry lethal weapons for self-defense purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Same restrictions as many states have here, it is more freedom than DC.

    I CARE! The world anti gun sentiment gives politicians excuses for their people control laws. We so far have better gun laws then any other country in the world. But don't think for a second that our politicians want us to be disarmed, part of their excuse is that other countries are supposedly gun free or strict.

    Russia moving towards more liberty, though very restrictive, is good. Putin could have easily blocked this change, but it seems he cares more for his people than our politicians care for us.

    Plus he likes rubbing Obama's nose in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    From what I gather the law has been changed to allow lethal weapons for SD. Before the use of non lethal weapons was the only choice for home defense. Rubber bullets would not be considered lethal. Skid you may be looking at the law before yesterday when it was amended.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141118/1014887558.html

    Russian legislation has been amended allowing citizens to carry lethal weapons for self-defense purposes.
    Yes - certain citizens. The rest are still restricted to elastomer balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Yes - certain citizens. The rest are still restricted to elastomer balls.

    stay safe.
    Well, if the law was cited correctly then they claim that the POWER is limited to 25 joules.

    But joules is not the unit for power.

    Now what?

    Stupid russians..... and who cares about russians anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Stupid russians..... and who cares about russians anyway?


    I can't help but share this sentiment.

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    Well it does show that at least Putin tries to take his country in the right direction, vs Obama who tries to flush ours down the toilet at every opportunity.

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