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    Three students shot at Florida State University library, gunman killed

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    UPDATE!! Shooter was FSU JD alumnus, licensed in Tx and NM.

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    Nope. Not possible. Fl Universities are "gun free zones".

    I remember when the Republicans shot down legalizing carry there in 2011
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    Shooter was a lawyer. I guess this one really does have a fool for a client !

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    Title is incomplete, as usual.

    Wasn't it "three unarmed students?"
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    Anyone else see what I see in this image? They're not running terrified of the EBR.
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    At least the cops shot this guy, a rarity indeed. Usually the shooter suicides after killing more than a few.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Title is incomplete, as usual.

    Wasn't it "three unarmed students?"
    Nope..it was three disarmed students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Nope..it was three disarmed students.
    Good catch. Significant distinction!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Nope..it was three disarmed students.
    +1! This blind pig does find truffles, some pigs never do.
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    Journal indicates FSU shooter suspected government

    "Based on our initial review of the documents and his videos and his postings, it's clear that Mr. May's sense of being and place in our community was not what most people would refer to as a normal," DeLeo said. "He had a sense of crisis and he was searching for something."
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    May's Facebook page shows he posted mostly Bible verses and links to conspiracy theories about the government reading people's minds.
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    The report also said May recently quit his job and was on medication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    "Based on our initial review of the documents and his videos and his postings, it's clear that Mr. May's sense of being and place in our community was not what most people would refer to as a normal," DeLeo said. "He had a sense of crisis and he was searching for something."
    [ ... ]
    May's Facebook page shows he posted mostly Bible verses and links to conspiracy theories about the government reading people's minds.
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    The report also said May recently quit his job and was on medication.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/usandwo...283301461.html
    It wasn't me, I swear! I don't post about mind reading though. Not on medication either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    At least the cops shot this guy, a rarity indeed. Usually the shooter suicides after killing more than a few.
    What? Good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun? Not possible!
    Hmm, I wonder what the response time was and how to shorten that gap...hmmm...

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    The lesson here, that carry should be allowed on college campuses, will no doubt fly over the heads of our legislators. If anything, this will make them more resistant to shrinking the prohibited places list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernymac View Post
    What? Good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun? Not possible!
    Hmm, I wonder what the response time was and how to shorten that gap...hmmm...
    The Ministry of Truth has taken yet more language away from us. They always use the term "first responder" for cops who show up at crime schemes, which can never be the case. The first responders are the victims and witnesses (rarely cops). The state and its Media arm speak of enforcement officers as a type of guardian angel when at best they are 2nd responders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    The Ministry of Truth has taken yet more language away from us. They always use the term "first responder" for cops who show up at crime schemes, which can never be the case. The first responders are the victims and witnesses (rarely cops). The state and its Media arm speak of enforcement officers as a type of guardian angel when at best they are 2nd responders.
    It works against them, though. Now if someone asks why you carry, you are not lying when you can simply say you are "a first responder." They will now make the wrong assumptions.
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    The debate, such as it is, starts at 19:45. Mr Friday shines. His opponents are, well, a few cards short of a full deck.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/TWIJ/7656408

    Former Senator Thrasher, who stopped campus carry, is now President of FSU. Now that is a delicious tidbit. Could we see school/college carry and unlicensed open carry this year out of the legislature? We should, but we all know the evil and stupid is strong with the opponents of human rights and common sense. Neocons and "liberals".... where do they spawn from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    The debate, such as it is, starts at 19:45. Mr Friday shines. His opponents are, well, a few cards short of a full deck.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/TWIJ/7656408

    Neocons and "liberals".... where do they spawn from?
    From statist minds that are so paranoid that they trust government more than the people, where the only individual rights allowed are the ones they as the government overseers alow, and where the use of law enforcement is a weapon to use against political opponents. The species is called socialists sapien. They are indigenous to the entire U.S., but appear in large pockets in many northeast states and west coast states as well as many urban locations. This species also tends to have a late in life migratory pattern from the northeast to Florida.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    From statist minds that are so paranoid that they trust government more than the people, where the only individual rights allowed are the ones they as the government overseers alow, and where the use of law enforcement is a weapon to use against political opponents. The species is called socialists sapien. They are indigenous to the entire U.S., but appear in large pockets in many northeast states and west coast states as well as many urban locations. This species also tends to have a late in life migratory pattern from the northeast to Florida.
    LOL. I'll never forget in 2011, the last time campus carry was proposed. In committee, the ape in charge of campus police at FSU brought in a big poster, a blown up picture of some elementary school kids touring the grounds of the university. His argument: "no guns allowed, here look at these children." It was pretty funny actually, I think even the "criminal justice" committee was embarrassed for him. It passed there before Thrasher wouldn't let it advance.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

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    Press Release from Students for Concealed Carry at FSU

    Press Release from Students for Concealed Carry at FSU

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    Shooting at Florida State University Library


    Tallahassee, Florida – November 24 – Our thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims and those effected by the shooting at Strozier library, as well as the Leon County Sheriff’s Office Deputy Chris Smith who was slain yesterday morning in an ambush. That more students were not injured or killed in the shooting on campus is due in no small part to the swift action of the Tallahassee police community, and we keep them in our hearts during their time of loss.


    The events of the last week in Tallahassee make plainly clear that it is unacceptable for responsible students who have gone to training, had extensive background checks, had their fingerprints taken, are of legal age, and are licensed by the state to be prevented from carrying their self-defense weapons on campus. We have seen that the current “Gun-Free Zone” policies have done nothing to curb violence, both in our state and nationwide. As criminals don’t abide by these policies, they only serve to prevent victims from having the ability to defend themselves and their peers.


    This is highlighted by two FSU students, one of whom was a US Army Infantry combat veteran and had a clear shot at the shooter, the other is gunshot victim Nathan Scott who is a member of Students for Concealed Carry at FSU who was able to go and warn other students about the shooter despite his injury. Both of these individuals, in spite of having the training and skills necessary to end the shooting, were powerless to prevent it due to Florida’s laws.


    As a result of this tragedy, we implore Florida State University President John Thrasher to reconsider his stance on campus carry despite being one of the main opponents to Florida’s campus carry bill in 2011. We also ask students, faculty and parents who are concerned about safety on campus to call and email to request he do the same. There is no sane reason why our fellow students should have to stare down the barrel of a gun and be incapable of defending themselves.


    Contact:
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    jthrasher@fsu.edu
    Phone: 850-644-1085


    Erek Culbreath
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    Quote Originally Posted by StogieC View Post
    As a result of this tragedy, we implore Florida State University President John Thrasher to reconsider his stance on campus carry despite being one of the main opponents to Florida’s campus carry bill in 2011. We also ask students, faculty and parents who are concerned about safety on campus to call and email to request he do the same. There is no sane reason why our fellow students should have to stare down the barrel of a gun and be incapable of defending themselves.


    Contact:
    John Thrasher
    jthrasher@fsu.edu
    Phone: 850-644-1085


    Erek Culbreath
    President of Students for Concealed Carry at FSU

    Yeah, I'm sure he'll get right on that.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

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    Common sense gun bill filed

    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...x?BillId=53085

    Some common sense gun legislation filed. I wonder if the chief campus pig from FSU still has his poster board with the little kids on it from 2011. Literally: "no guns on campus, here...look at these kids". I wish the video was archived somewhere accessible.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Some common sense gun legislation filed. I wonder if the chief campus pig from FSU still has his poster board with the little kids on it from 2011. Literally: "no guns on campus, here...look at these kids". I wish the video was archived somewhere accessible.
    Good start. Some additional prohibited places should be added to the bill: non-secure areas of airports, vocational schools (WTF why is this prohibited?), parades, sporting events. These should be politically viable. I'd go for all schools too, like in Utah, but that's more of a political gamble and I wouldn't want the rest of this bill to go down if we can get the others done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    Good start. Some additional prohibited places should be added to the bill: non-secure areas of airports, vocational schools (WTF why is this prohibited?), parades, sporting events. These should be politically viable. I'd go for all schools too, like in Utah, but that's more of a political gamble and I wouldn't want the rest of this bill to go down if we can get the others done.
    It's not illegal to carry at a parade in Florida.

    They'll never take college and professional athletic events off their dumb list. Our rights are limited by what others MIGHT do in Floriduh so it will never happen.

    The worst "gun free zone" (besides schools) in Florida is the "portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose" and for obvious reasons. Teetotalers also could easily get ensnared by this "law" because many restaurants have booths and tables that surround bar areas. One overzealous piggie and boom, you're under arrest for something you could probably win in court. While this is not an issue now since we only have CC, it could become one if by some miracle we get OC and they try to limit it with the same CC restrictions.

    The next dumbest is meetings of government bodies (A madman actually took advantage of this prohibition in south Floriduh a few years back and it made national headlines), followed by polling places.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    It's not illegal to carry at a parade in Florida.
    Must have gotten it confused with some other state.
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    They'll never take college and professional athletic events off their dumb list. Our rights are limited by what others MIGHT do in Floriduh so it will never happen.
    Airport passenger terminals and school administration buildings (no students there) are pretty dumb too. I'm not sure why police stations are on the list, or the entire land area of a prison and not just its secured areas. In Washington State, for example, you can walk right up to the front desk of a prison/jail and check your firearm in.

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