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    Successful SWATTING. Tipped to shots fired, door breached, two in custody.

    West Milwaukee police responded to a home near 55th and Lapham just after midnight for reports of shots fired. They also called in West Allis police and the Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Office Tactical Squad Team to assist. Upon arrival, authorities attempted to make contact with the residents, but were unsuccessful. The Police Chief tells FOX6 News that they were concerned about the welfare of the people inside — and eventually made the call to breach the door.

    http://fox6now.com/2014/11/20/two-be...ilwaukee-home/
    http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/m...283325791.html

    From "concerned for welfare" to "in custody." You had better answer the hail at the door.
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    This does not appear to be swatting.

    Swatting is loosely defined as making a false report, resulting in a SWAT response = harassment of legal gun owners who are not in violation of the law.
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    There is no evidence YET that shots were indeed fired. The unwarranted breach was for exigent concern for welfare, not for shots fired. The residents are in custody for questioning, not for illegal gun activity.
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    Is it a crime to discharge a firearm inside one's home in that jurisdiction? Appears so...https://www.municode.com/library/wi/west_milwaukee/codes/code_of_ordinances?searchRequest={%22searchText%22 :%22firearm%22,%22pageNum%22:1,%22resultsPerPage%2 2:25,%22booleanSearch%22:false,%22stemming%22:true ,%22fuzzy%22:false,%22synonym%22:false,%22contentT ypes%22:[%22CODES%22],%22productIds%22:[]}&nodeId=MUCO_CH58OFMIPR_ARTIINGE_S58-8FI


    Sec. 58-8. - Firearms.

    (a)

    Discharge of. It shall be unlawful to discharge any firearm, shotgun, rifle, BB gun, toy gun, blowgun, dart gun or any other weapon, projecting lead or any missiles within the limits of the village except:....(exemptions and exceptions continued)



    Of course the occupants did the right thing, having no idea if they cops had the right to enter - they kept the door closed.

    If they kept their mouth shut, they should be in the free and clear. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    There is no evidence YET that shots were indeed fired. The unwarranted breach was for exigent concern for welfare, not for shots fired. The residents are in custody for questioning, not for illegal gun activity.
    They are in for "questioning" to get evidence of any crimes ... who goes in for "questioning"? Idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    This does not appear to be swatting.

    Swatting is loosely defined as making a false report, resulting in a SWAT response = harassment of legal gun owners who are not in violation of the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    There is no evidence YET that shots were indeed fired. The unwarranted breach was for exigent concern for welfare, not for shots fired. The residents are in custody for questioning, not for illegal gun activity.
    Indeed, no evidence yet either way that shots were fired; therefore cannot conclude it was unwarranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Indeed, no evidence yet either way that shots were fired; therefore cannot conclude it was unwarranted.
    Given that its hard to ID where a shot came from just from sounds, it will be interesting if this case moves forward and a 4th amendment examination is performed.

    My guess is that they did not have the authority to enter w/o a warrant ... even exigent circumstance exception requires more than a person picking out a dwelling from the simple hearing of 2 shots.

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    LOL Who'ya gonna call? Shot Spotter!

    A common encyclopedia cites gunfire report rates to emergency call centers as low as 20% until combined with persistent incidents, hence the media mention of "... there's been a history of calls to the residence."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Indeed, no evidence yet either way that shots were fired; therefore cannot conclude it was unwarranted.
    You can't conclude that it WAS warranted either. Innocent until proven guilty, remember? Well, thats how its SUPPOSED to work. I can understand the breach, but without evidence, why are they "in custody?"
    If you're "in custody" then you aren't being "questioned," you're being "interrogated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Is it a crime to discharge a firearm inside one's home in that jurisdiction? Appears so...https://www.municode.com/library/wi/west_milwaukee/codes/code_of_ordinances?searchRequest={%22searchText%22 :%22firearm%22,%22pageNum%22:1,%22resultsPerPage%2 2:25,%22booleanSearch%22:false,%22stemming%22:true ,%22fuzzy%22:false,%22synonym%22:false,%22contentT ypes%22:[%22CODES%22],%22productIds%22:[]}&nodeId=MUCO_CH58OFMIPR_ARTIINGE_S58-8FI


    Sec. 58-8. - Firearms.

    (a)

    Discharge of. It shall be unlawful to discharge any firearm, shotgun, rifle, BB gun, toy gun, blowgun, dart gun or any other weapon, projecting lead or any missiles within the limits of the village except:....(exemptions and exceptions continued)

    Nitpick: Ordinance violation are not crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkbites View Post
    Nitpick: Ordinance violation are not crimes.
    A good point to make...

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