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    594 -- de facto gun ban?

    I've been wondering about something. Given the way 594 defines transfers and requires background checks, this worries me.

    If you live alone and never have guests over, it wouldn't be an issue. But what if you are married? What if you have kids? What if you have guests over from time to time?

    When transfers occur with change of possession, how do you keep guns (or other non-gun firearms as defined by state law) in the house legally? I can just see it now -- any time a gun is not held in hand or securely holstered it has to be locked in a gun vault. But one gun vault for the family would result in transfers every time someone opened the door. You'd have to have at least one for every person in the household who owned any gun-like object.

    If your guest(s) want to lock up a gun while at your house, you'd need to have individual gun lockboxes, that only the guest has a key to or else transfers occur.

    The more I think about it, the more I wonder whether we've gotten a de facto gun ban slipped to us in the guise of a badly written universal background check law.

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    You should have voted against it (kidding) ...

    the law is irrelevant .. your rights are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    I've been wondering about something. Given the way 594 defines transfers and requires background checks, this worries me.

    If you live alone and never have guests over, it wouldn't be an issue. But what if you are married? What if you have kids? What if you have guests over from time to time?

    When transfers occur with change of possession, how do you keep guns (or other non-gun firearms as defined by state law) in the house legally? I can just see it now -- any time a gun is not held in hand or securely holstered it has to be locked in a gun vault. But one gun vault for the family would result in transfers every time someone opened the door. You'd have to have at least one for every person in the household who owned any gun-like object.

    If your guest(s) want to lock up a gun while at your house, you'd need to have individual gun lockboxes, that only the guest has a key to or else transfers occur.

    The more I think about it, the more I wonder whether we've gotten a de facto gun ban slipped to us in the guise of a badly written universal background check law.
    You could always do what I did. Move out of Washington. I saw the writing on the wall when I made the decision to move last year, I knew this horrible initiative would pass and there will be more to come.

    I spent about $30,000 to move to the Boise area and it was worth every nickle.

    I grew up in Vancouver, Washington and its hard to see the state heading down its current path, but I prefer as much freedom as I can get over staying in my home state if that's the direction it is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    You could always do what I did. Move out of Washington. I saw the writing on the wall when I made the decision to move last year, I knew this horrible initiative would pass and there will be more to come.

    I spent about $30,000 to move to the Boise area and it was worth every nickle.

    I grew up in Vancouver, Washington and its hard to see the state heading down its current path, but I prefer as much freedom as I can get over staying in my home state if that's the direction it is going.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86K-p089R8

    I did not run away .... I helped vote out a commie on election day and will continue to attack commies ... I'm not moving 'cause of laws that mean nothing ..

    What? You wanna live forever? I'll only die once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86K-p089R8

    I did not run away .... I helped vote out a commie on election day and will continue to attack commies ... I'm not moving 'cause of laws that mean nothing ..

    What? You wanna live forever? I'll only die once.
    Run away? No. I ran towards freedom. It's just better in Idaho.

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    Sorry, but you gave up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geerolla View Post
    Sorry, but you gave up.


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    No he didn't.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Retreating and giving up territory. Sounds like giving up to me and I find it highly unlikely he's supporting our fight from another state.


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    Some folks staying and fighting the good fight...how did that work out?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    There is also self preservation and reading the signs that unless you start a violent revolution your options of liberty and safety are diminishing.....

    I suppose the Jews who left Germany during the rise of Nazism were just giving up...
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Some folks staying and fighting the good fight...how did that work out?
    They have only begun to fight !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geerolla View Post
    Sorry, but you gave up.


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    Gave Up? It depends on how you see things. I did leave Washington due to the state becoming more restrictive in firearms regulation, but that's not the only reason. I like Idaho for it's less restrictive in many other areas over Washington.

    If I want to talk on my cell while driving it's legal to do so. If I wish to ride a motorcycle without a helmet it's legal to do so. If I want to get drunk while open carrying, it's legal for me to do so. Speed limit on the interstate is 80mph instead of 70mph as in Washington and that's much nicer. I can go to Fat City fireworks and purchase illegal fireworks right here in Idaho, all you have to do is sign an affidavit saying you will not use them in the state.<---Yes it's for real. If I want to own a full auto I can in Idaho.

    It appears to me that the States that are moving to the left, have people moving to them with that Ideology, and the States that are moving to right like Idaho, have people also moving to them with that ideology. I cannot cite any particular source for this, just an accumulation of reading current events, interaction with people, and how states vote on issues in general. (How many firearm manufactures have moved out of gun control states just for this reason.)

    My viewpoint is that folks that support firearm freedom and freedoms in general should move to states like Idaho and strengthen their position by being with others with the same viewpoint. I have met so many others that have moved here from Ca. OR. and Wa. to get away from the libtards and be with others that share their ideology.

    Idaho keeps reducing gun regulation and we should be able to get Constitutional carry here in the next 2-3 years (fingers crossed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    There is also self preservation and reading the signs that unless you start a violent revolution your options of liberty and safety are diminishing.....

    I suppose the Jews who left Germany during the rise of Nazism were just giving up...
    Thanks for your response. Washington will always be home. Most of my family is in Washington and I moved here knowing I would have no family here, it wasn't easy, but I am glad I did.
    Last edited by OC Freedom; 12-09-2014 at 11:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I suppose the Jews who left Germany during the rise of Nazism were just giving up...
    Yup, 594 is equivalent to the Holocaust. Great analogy.


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