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    Grade A Apple: MRAP's for "Constitutionalists"

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    Oh yeah. He wasn't supposed to publicly admit that! You mean the Bro with a stolen glock in his underwear and his pants around his ankles doesn't warrant an MRAP? Now that some Washingtonians are expressing dissatisfaction about the imminent Californication as it relates to gun rights, he couldn't resist.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    constitutionalists who stock pile weapons and ammo

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    "Constitutionalists".................


    This "man" is an ENEMY of the Constitution and should be treated as such. This "man" is EXACTLY why we have the Second Amendment.

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    If they are coming for u .. don't wait .. go get them ... old proverb
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    If they are coming for u .. don't wait .. go get them ... old proverb
    Long standing OCDO Rule:

    (15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Long standing OCDO Rule:

    (15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.
    ...but if "death always comes to tyrants," how so? Old age?
    Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    ...but if "death always comes to tyrants," how so? Old age?
    You misstate the Commonwealth of Virginia motto.

    Sic semper tyrannis is a Latin phrase meaning "thus always to tyrants". It is sometimes mistranslated as "death to tyrants" or "down with the tyrant."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic_semper_tyrannis

    The OCDO rule previously quoted is carved in stone here - we do not break the law.

    We are witnessing the end of Joe Morrissey's political life through the actions of the court, legislative system and the will of the people. That works for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    You misstate the Commonwealth of Virginia motto.

    Sic semper tyrannis is a Latin phrase meaning "thus always to tyrants". It is sometimes mistranslated as "death to tyrants" or "down with the tyrant."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic_semper_tyrannis

    The OCDO rule previously quoted is carved in stone here - we do not break the law.

    We are witnessing the end of Joe Morrissey's political life through the actions of the court, legislative system and the will of the people. That works for me.
    Understood in regards to the rule.

    I don't misstate our motto, I cite the elongation of the same phrase. Brutus supposedly didn't have time to say anything before Caesar's assassination anyway, so both could be bologna.
    Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Understood in regards to the rule.

    I don't misstate our motto, I cite the elongation of the same phrase. Brutus supposedly didn't have time to say anything before Caesar's assassination anyway, so both could be bologna.
    Four now old dead white guys who were made to learn to both read and speak both Greek and Latin got together over beer/cider and hashed out not only what the motto should be but how the masses should translate it. And then in case there was ever any question, they added a semi-nude pictograph to make sure the masses at least looked at it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_and_seal_of_Virginia

    In May 1776 the Virginia colony declared its independence from Great Britain. On July 1, 1776, a committee of four was appointed to make a proper seal for the Commonwealth of Virginia. The four men were Richard Henry Lee, George Mason, George Wythe, and Robert Carter Nicholas. Four days later the committee's report for a design of the seal was read, and George Mason presented it to the Virginia government. It was voted on and approved that same day. It is not known for certain which members of the committee were chiefly responsible for the design of the seal, but it is generally believed to be principally the work of George Wythe.
    The seal makers did not want a design which in any way resembled the style of coats-of-arms used in Britain. Because of the strong admiration for the Roman Republic felt by the Virginia leaders, the design of the new seal was taken from the mythology of Ancient Rome. They also chose a two-sided design, as shown above.
    The obverse of the seal is the official seal of Virginia and is used on all the official papers and documents of the Commonwealth's government, as well as on its flag. On this side, a female figure personifying the Roman virtue of Virtus was selected to represent the genius of the new Commonwealth. Virginia's Virtus is a figure of peace, standing in a pose which indicates a battle already won. She rests on her long spear, its point turned downward to the ground. Her other weapon, a parazonium, is sheathed; it is the sword of authority rather than that of combat. Virtus is typically shown with a bare left breast; this is commonly recognized as the only use of nudity among the seals of the U.S. states.

    Tyranny lies prostrate beneath the foot of Virtus, symbolizing Great Britain's defeat by Virginia. The royal crown which has fallen to the ground beside him symbolizes the new republic's release from the monarchical control of Great Britain; Virginia and New York are the only U.S. states with a flag or seal displaying a crown. The broken chain in Tyranny's left hand represents Virginia's freedom from Britain's restriction of colonial trade and westward expansion. The useless whip in his right hand signifies Virginia's relief from the torturing whip of acts of punishment such as the Intolerable Acts. His robe is purple, a reference to Julius Caesar and the Etruscan king of Rome, Tarquinius Priscus.

    The motto selected for the obverse of the Virginia seal is Sic semper tyrannis, or in English, Thus always to tyrants. This is a derived quote from the famous events in Roman history, attributed to Brutus upon his participation in the slaying of Julius Caesar. (Caesar had been named perpetual dictator of Rome in the same year, and some Senators believed he had ambitions to abolish the Roman Republic and establish himself as a monarch.)

    A joke referencing the image on the seal that dates back as far back as the Civil War, is that "Sic semper tyrannis" actually means "Get your foot off my neck."
    Folks often seem to think it's "Death always comes to tyrants" (or variations thereof involving death) by connecting the results of Booth's action with the words he said at Ford's Theater. Which, I suppose, is better than some 4th-grade boy translating it as "I can see up your skirt".

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Four now old dead white guys who were made to learn to both read and speak both Greek and Latin got together over beer/cider and hashed out not only what the motto should be but how the masses should translate it. And then in case there was ever any question, they added a semi-nude pictograph to make sure the masses at least looked at it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_and_seal_of_Virginia





    Folks often seem to think it's "Death always comes to tyrants" (or variations thereof involving death) by connecting the results of Booth's action with the words he said at Ford's Theater. Which, I suppose, is better than some 4th-grade boy translating it as "I can see up your skirt".

    stay safe.
    I always chuckle at the translation, "Get your foot off my neck."
    Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    "Constitutionalists".................


    This "man" is an ENEMY of the Constitution and should be treated as such. This "man" is EXACTLY why we have the Second Amendment.

    Sic Semper Tyrannis
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    If they are coming for u .. don't wait .. go get them ... old proverb
    You guys trying to prove his point? Lol
    "The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    You guys trying to prove his point? Lol
    Are you advocating his point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    You guys trying to prove his point? Lol
    Primus, you would think he should have nothing to fear from "Constitutionalists" if he is abiding by/upholding/defending it as his OATH stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Are you advocating his point?
    Yes he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    You guys trying to prove his point? Lol
    Of course he doesn't get to prove any point. He and his capo bosses are the aggressors, therefore they have no standing.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    You guys trying to prove his point? Lol
    The only way they would be proving his point is if he already intended to violate their rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    The only way they would be proving his point is if he already intended to violate their rights.
    Now this is something we can kind of agree on.

    Problem is violation is a subjective term. Very few people hold a absolute view on rights. Just ask around here you'll get varying opinions with a very few absolutes.

    MY point (not the dude in the video or any one else responding to this) is simply that violence is never the answer unless its in reaction to unjust violence.

    So for example Mr mcbeth had the testicular fortitude to come out and mention a bit of preemptive violence. While we disagree on that I at least respect his view.

    His calling for preemptive violence is the very REASON the other dude wants the MRAP.

    In fact he could pull up the two posts I quoted and bring it to a town meeting and be like "see! Told ya so!"

    But the real conundrum is kind of a chicken or the egg first. They want the MRAP because of preemptive violence. The "insert group here" wants violence because they see the MRAP as aggression. So which side gives up first?
    "The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    <snip> So which side gives up first?

    The one that is dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Now this is something we can kind of agree on.

    Problem is violation is a subjective term. Very few people hold a absolute view on rights. Just ask around here you'll get varying opinions with a very few absolutes.

    MY point (not the dude in the video or any one else responding to this) is simply that violence is never the answer unless its in reaction to unjust violence.

    So for example Mr mcbeth had the testicular fortitude to come out and mention a bit of preemptive violence. While we disagree on that I at least respect his view.

    His calling for preemptive violence is the very REASON the other dude wants the MRAP.

    In fact he could pull up the two posts I quoted and bring it to a town meeting and be like "see! Told ya so!"

    But the real conundrum is kind of a chicken or the egg first. They want the MRAP because of preemptive violence. The "insert group here" wants violence because they see the MRAP as aggression. So which side gives up first?
    It is objective reality that the state is the initiator of the aggression. What's subjective is each person's "line in the sand". I would fight back right now and I would be justified to fight back if my camp had the numbers and the organization. As it stands now, I'm not going to go "lone wolf" unless they decide to haul me off to a reeducation or labor camp. And if we had the numbers, very little violence would have to be used. Civil disobedience is hard to police if lots of people are doing it, and it would be contagious. This is happening with Marijuana right now, in large part peacefully. The feds are still using aggressive violence in states where it is legal but it is becoming less and less. Same with (the horror) raw milk. Connecticut and New York are going to have their new "gun laws" undercut by the massive noncompliance with the registration process. This will be taken into account during the long and drawn out, but likely victorious, court battles.

    You said, "His calling for preemptive violence is the very REASON the other dude wants the MRAP."

    There are lone wolves now but you don't really need an MRAP. The KKK was a large and violent group and they went away without them.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    ...MY point (not the dude in the video or any one else responding to this) is simply that violence is never the answer unless its in reaction to unjust violence. ...
    Cite to statute please, in MA if you wish, where a citizen may answer with violence against unjust violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Cite to statute please, in MA if you wish, where a citizen may answer with violence against unjust violence.
    Are you asking for a lesson in self defense law? If so your clearly playing coy.
    "The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Are you asking for a lesson in self defense law? If so your clearly playing coy.
    Are you avoiding a direct request for a cite? If so you are playing belligerence.
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    Primus, being a cop, missed the premise once again. If a cop engages in unjustified violence against a citizen there is no recourse for the citizen at that time...never debate the lawfulness of a cop's acts on the side of the road, or so they tell me. There is only the civil remedy, for your survivors in the worst case.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    His calling for preemptive violence is the very REASON the other dude wants the MRAP.
    I highly doubt that. It may be the excuse used but not the reason in truth. The reason is control and fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    I highly doubt that. It may be the excuse used but not the reason in truth. The reason is control and fear.
    Are you afraid and controlled?
    "The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Are you afraid and controlled?
    Do you wish to control and instill fear?
    It is well that war is so terrible – otherwise we would grow too fond of it.
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