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    A new assault on AZ gun freedom

    Some of you have no doubt noticed that we have a new assault about to commence. None other than our old friend Bloomberg.

    http://www.infowars.com/38-billion-r...h-gun-control/

    He and his millionaire friends just got their nose under the tent so to speak in Wash. state. We really don't want to backslide now that we are rated the #1 state for gun ownership. By the way, here is a great question. How did AZ become the #1 state? Was it because our legislators are so benevolent that we were able to just sit back and watch it happen. I think you all know better than that. It happened because of the hard work of a very few people.

    So how do we out fight these millionaires? Well they can sure out money us but we have a weapon they don't have. AZCDL. Some of you are familiar with the organization and are members and the rest of you Freedom lov'in, gun tot'in Arizonans should be or shame on you. Listen! It's time for all of us to get involved and be counted. No time to sit back and hope someone else will step up and fight the fight. Right now some over 11,000 people have stepped up to the plate and joined. This has given us a powerful lobby in the capitol and a voice that even Bloomberg will have trouble drowning out. Imagine if that number were 15,000 or even 20,000. With that voice, our legislators would be eating out of our hands.

    Only a few short years ago AZ was a bit of a joke. I'm going to quote azcdlfred here without his permission. I apologize in advance, Fred. From Fred, who started this fine organization and got us where we are today.

    "I co-founded AzCDL because after moving to Arizona I quickly discovered the "Wild West" was pure fairy tale.

    Arizona was more like an eastern suburb of California. The old timers were suffering from the Boiling Frog syndrome and acted like it was still the early 1900's. The Yankee and California transplants were happy they could beg the state for a "permit" to carry a gun.

    We reversed a lot of the Californication of Arizona's gun laws but there is much more work to do. As the saying goes if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Sitting on the sidelines and engaging in esoteric discussions on gun boards does not equate to activism."

    There are still a lot of people who would like to see us go back to the old days. Join us now and help us get bigger and stronger. This link will get you everything you need to join up.
    http://www.azcdl.org/ And just in time for Christmas. A great Christmas present.

    Remember: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke.
    Don't wait another minute. DO IT NOW!!

    Old uncle ho aka Lynn McFadden

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    Thanks for the plug Lynn

    In my opinion I-594 did not pass in Washington simply because Bloomberg and his billionaire buddies spent over $10 Million. Nor did I-594 pass because the NRA only put up a token resistance. I-594 passed because the majority of voting eligible gun owners stayed home, melted into their couches, either because they didn't care or didn't want to get involved.

    When, not if, Bloomberg gets a ballot measure on the Arizona 2016 ballot, whether we win or lose will depend on whether or not Arizona's over 1 million gun owners get engaged. Bloomberg is banking on gun owner apathy.

    It's already happening in Nevada. Bloomberg's minions got the signatures needed to get a gun owner registration (that's what this really is) measure on the 2016 Nevada ballot. NVFAC, the NRA state affiliate battling Bloomberg has already discovered that no one is coming to their rescue. If you want to help them, please consider donating to Nevadans for State Gun Rights.

    AzCDL is not affiliated with any national organization. We're fighting this on membership donations. Please join AzCDL!

    For more information on the Gun Owner Registration movement via "expanded background checks" check out AzCDL's Background Check page.

    Merry Christmas!
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    This is why we need solid court decisions instead of laws. Once the high courts rule there is nothing Bloomingberg idiot can do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    This is why we need solid court decisions instead of laws. Once the high courts rule there is nothing Bloomingberg idiot can do about it.
    Litigation is exponentially more expensive than legislation in money, time and personal loss and there is no guarantee of winning.

    A court challenge has a gigantic legal bill attached to it. Then there is about a decade of trials as it works its way up to the Supreme Court where the Supremes may decide not to hear it. If they do hear it, it's a coin toss as to whether they do the right thing. Meanwhile the bad law is still on the books and gun owners are still being persecuted and prosecuted.

    It's also unlikely that any national gun group will do more than make a token challenge to these new gun owner registration laws. They have been on the books in several states for decades. In New York, I believe it's almost 100 years. And California and New York and other Eastern (e.g., Connecticut) states are now busy confiscating guns because they know who owns them.

    Legislation, on the other hand, doesn't carry anywhere near that cost. It's mainly about lobbying and grass roots volunteerism. However, if we have to get a pro-rights ballot measure to combat what Bloomberg will do, it will carry a price tag of over $1 Million. No white knight will ride in on their trusty steed to save us. No money will come from any national group. If Arizona's gun owners aren't willing to get involved the results are predicable.

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    I am anxious to hear the AzCDL plan when it is rolled out. It strikes me that the correct leglislation can cut them off at the pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterNSteinmetz View Post
    I am anxious to hear the AzCDL plan when it is rolled out. It strikes me that the correct leglislation can cut them off at the pass.
    Thanks Peter! We are working behind the scenes right now looking at all possible means to neutralize the Bloomberg juggernaut. Nothing is guaranteed.

    Because Bloomberg and his friends in Washington have eyes and ears everywhere, we must remain tight-lipped a long as possible.

    Unfortunately the early 20th Century Progressive (Socialist) movement was successful in putting a citizens initiative process, that bypasses the legislature, into the Arizona Constitution. That's one hell of an obstacle.

    Meanwhile, tell every gun owner you know. Please direct them to our Background Check web page.

    Fred

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    While we should always be on guard to protect our rights, I doubt these fools would have nearly as much success here in Arizona as they have had in Washington. Washington has a much more voluminous liberal-leaning base compared to Arizona. As such, the resulted legislation passed and became law. Still though, I agree that we ought to remain vigilant and do what has been recommended: get off the couch and vote, join good groups like the AZCDL who will do a tremendous amount of the workload to prevent this from happening here all while working towards advancing other, pro-2A legislation, etc.

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    Keep in mind that Washington demographics are considerably more progressive than Arizona demographics. I hope that Washington residents who do not wish to go through this learn to make their own firearms. Or they can buy antique firearms and convert them. Besides I don't see how the state is going to enforce BC on transactions they will never know about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Trickster View Post
    While we should always be on guard to protect our rights, I doubt these fools would have nearly as much success here in Arizona as they have had in Washington
    My experience is that way too many Arizona gun owners are disengaged from what happened in Washington and what is headed our way

    If any of you would like to help us, you are welcome to help us spread the message at our gun show tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    Thanks for the plug Lynn

    In my opinion I-594 did not pass in Washington simply because Bloomberg and his billionaire buddies spent over $10 Million. Nor did I-594 pass because the NRA only put up a token resistance. I-594 passed because the majority of voting eligible gun owners stayed home, melted into their couches, either because they didn't care or didn't want to get involved.s[/URL].

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    I think the vote was what it was because they had a choice between 2. If it was just the one (one that passed) it would have been defeated. IMO

    I know it sounds good to have an opposing choice on the ballot but in this case I think not.

    The old "I gotta vote yes on one of these" syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I think the vote was what it was because they had a choice between 2. If it was just the one (one that passed) it would have been defeated. I know it sounds good to have an opposing choice on the ballot but in this case I think not.
    The old "I gotta vote yes on one of these" syndrome.
    That may have been part of it, but even the "background check lite" bill pushed by SAF, failed to get enough votes to pass.

    At the Gun Rights Policy Conference in September (2014), Gottlieb of SAF was quoting polling data that said something like 90% of the general population supports private transfer background checks.

    Polling also shows that something like 60% of gun owners support private transfer background checks. After all, we all had to go through a background check to buy a gun or get a CCW permit. What's the big deal? Think about it. Do you know any gun owner who has not had to undergo a background check? Rare as hen's teeth. Usually restricted to the tin foil hat wearers stocking up guns in their doomsday bunker.

    Unless we educate gun owners that "expanded background checks" = Gun Owner Registration that will eventually lead to confiscation, it WILL happen in Arizona.

    Don't delude yourselves into thinking this cannot happen in Arizona. All they need to do in Arizona is get it on the ballot via petition gathering. When you have millions to waste, it's an easy feat. They just finished gathering all the signatures they need to get it on the 2016 Nevada ballot. Unless Nevada gun owners wake up, Nevada WILL have gun owner registration. Unless Arizona gun owners wake up we WILL have gun owner registration in Arizona.

    Fred
    Last edited by azcdlfred; 12-24-2014 at 11:58 AM.

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