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    Newport firearm buyback / turn-in 17 Jan 2015

    LINK to The Central Oregon Coast Chapter of the National Organization for Women (NOW) announcement

    "On January 17, 2015 from 10 am to 2 pm, people may turn in unwanted firearms at a Gun Turn-In being held at the Newport City Hall, 169 SW Coast Hwy, Police Department Entrance."

    "All weapons collected are removed from circulation and melted down. The Newport Police Department will donate unique or antique weapons to an appropriate historical museum."

    I'm thinking of going to possibly save a few, but I'm not a collector or FFL (or have much $$$) so I will be very select.
    NOTE: Newport has a Unloaded Firearm ordinance 8.20.005, CHL exempt.

    ANYONE IN NEWPORT. I Google mapped the location, but even with street view it is hard to tell...
    1) which door is the Police Dept entrance of City Hall, I'm guessing NE side of the building.
    2) best place to park / best place to stand on public property to intercept / advertise PRE-buyback option.
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    get 100 bucks per pipe bomb or anything that looks like a pipe bomb?

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    I'll be attending. In an attempt to work with the enemy I will be turning in three firearms while simultaneously open carrying. Two of those firearms were acquired at the last buyback for the purposes of turning them in......they're really rough, unsafe, and only barely able to function. I paid $50 for both and they closed the turn in when I was just 4 or 5 people from the front of the line.

    The third weapon is an evil one. It is a very dangerous 12 gauge ghost gun with no serial number. It was manufactured in the back yard, has no safety devices, and is decked out to be highly attractive to young children, especially little girls. Note the "Hello Kitty" motif on the entire stock!!!!

    So, in doing my part, I will make $200 profit off of the two junker pistols that I purchased for the purpose, and about $55 on the evil ghost gun (total parts cost was just under $20).

    So, for an investment of $70 (and some time and gas) I will be removing $325 of their funding.

    I think that's a win!!!!!

    Here's a picture of the evil ghost gun

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    And if you're interested, here's a video of its construction:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXjnb55aAwM
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    $25 gift card for "high capacity magazines," like the ones you can buy for $8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    $25 gift card for "high capacity magazines," like the ones you can buy for $8?
    I haven't seen a definition for this event but the last one I was at, which was also CeaseFire Oregon, they defined a high capacity magazine as "50 rounds or more"...... they'd of course be willing to take smaller ones off your hands, and they didn't put that definition in any prominent place.....obviously hoping people brought in their magazines without realizing that they wouldn't get any money for them.

    They are scumbags after all so what can we expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    Really wish you had posted the video a week ago, I would have made 3 for turn in for $100 (after materials, gas, and food).
    Just to confirm, it's minimum 30" Total length (not barrel length) to be Fed and Oregon state legal, correct?

    I'm going to try to be there, family stuff may get in the way, look for me.

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    If I'm not there...
    Keep an eye out for Colt Woodsman 1st series (2 tone) magazines, if you see one buy it for me.
    The person can still turn-in the pistol w/o the mag.
    Also, any nice 9mm compact pistol. My Beretta 92FS is nice, but full-size and heavy. I need smaller for daily carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    The third weapon is an evil one. It is a very dangerous 12 gauge ghost gun with no serial number. It was manufactured in the back yard, has no safety devices, and is decked out to be highly attractive to young children, especially little girls. Note the "Hello Kitty" motif on the entire stock!!!!
    You're selling that thing to them?! That cracks me up. I saw the video description of that build and was wondering what you were up to. I guess if I'm ever out of work I know how to make money....

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    How did the buyback go?

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    I didn't make it to the Newport turn-in, family stuff and lack of funds (Christmas & daughter's 18th B-day).

    Here's Tom in Oregon's description of the event: LINK

    We-the-People, how did it go for you? Pick up anything cool?
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    Well the ILLEGAL GUN SHOW was a patriotic success in my opinion even though they did get a few nice ones and an AR.

    They ran out of gift cards 22 minutes into the four hour event.....patriots were lined up turning in JUNK and cheap 30 round mags. They were giving $25 cards for 30 round mags that can be bought for less than $10 these days.

    After running out of cards, they somehow got permission to give out IOU's. That sure helped the CASH PAYING buyers though as we'd explain that there were no gift cards left but they could get an IOU and get mailed a card (maybe) in a couple weeks.....but WE PAID CASH NOW.

    I picked up 5 weapons including a Model 11 Remington SemiAuto 12 gauge from 1926, a Mossberg bolt action 20 gauge from 1947-1950 (with no factory SerNo as they weren't required back then an Mossberg didn't do it), AND a pre 1900 12 gauge breech action with Damascus barrel......AND....... a couple of 22 pistols. One pistol is like NIB with serial numbers of box, barrel, cylinder, and frame all matching plus the original manual.

    Unfortunately, Newport's police officer that checked my turn in weapons declared that my "Hello Kitty" shotgun was "not a functioning firearm" and that "it was made as a joke". I assured him it was indeed a functioning 12 gauge shotgun and could direct him to video proving that but he didn't care. Soooooo......... the untraceable, unserialized, no ballistics possible, easily disposed of, firearm was SENT BACK OUT ON THE STREETS while worthless pieces of crap that couldn't fire, safe modern firearms, and a couple of sweet collectors items, were being bought for the smelter........such is the intelligence level of the enemy.

    Here's video from the ILLEGAL GUN SHOW:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfDs...ature=youtu.be
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    Well the ILLEGAL GUN SHOW was a patriotic success in my opinion even though they did get a few nice ones and an AR.

    They ran out of gift cards 22 minutes into the four hour event.....patriots were lined up turning in JUNK and cheap 30 round mags. They were giving $25 cards for 30 round mags that can be bought for less than $10 these days.

    After running out of cards, they somehow got permission to give out IOU's. That sure helped the CASH PAYING buyers though as we'd explain that there were no gift cards left but they could get an IOU and get mailed a card (maybe) in a couple weeks.....but WE PAID CASH NOW.

    I picked up 5 weapons including a Model 11 Remington SemiAuto 12 gauge from 1926, a Mossberg bolt action 20 gauge from 1947-1950 (with no factory SerNo as they weren't required back then an Mossberg didn't do it), AND a pre 1900 12 gauge breech action with Damascus barrel......AND....... a couple of 22 pistols. One pistol is like NIB with serial numbers of box, barrel, cylinder, and frame all matching plus the original manual.

    Unfortunately, Newport's police officer that checked my turn in weapons declared that my "Hello Kitty" shotgun was "not a functioning firearm" and that "it was made as a joke". I assured him it was indeed a functioning 12 gauge shotgun and could direct him to video proving that but he didn't care. Soooooo......... the untraceable, unserialized, no ballistics possible, easily disposed of, firearm was SENT BACK OUT ON THE STREETS while worthless pieces of crap that couldn't fire, safe modern firearms, and a couple of sweet collectors items, were being bought for the smelter........such is the intelligence level of the enemy.

    Here's video from the ILLEGAL GUN SHOW:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfDs...ature=youtu.be
    Thanks for the video, it was well done and I enjoyed watching it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    Unfortunately, Newport's police officer that checked my turn in weapons declared that my "Hello Kitty" shotgun was "not a functioning firearm" and that "it was made as a joke". I assured him it was indeed a functioning 12 gauge shotgun and could direct him to video proving that but he didn't care. Soooooo......... the untraceable, unserialized, no ballistics possible, easily disposed of, firearm was SENT BACK OUT ON THE STREETS while worthless pieces of crap that couldn't fire, safe modern firearms, and a couple of sweet collectors items, were being bought for the smelter........such is the intelligence level of the enemy.
    I'm assuming you are not a licensed firearm manufacturer in which case you are only allowed to manufacture firearms for your personal use and not for sale or distribution. In your shotgun building video you make it clear that the end purpose was to sell it.
    http://www.atf.gov/faq-page/316#t316n11091

    He may have unknowingly did you a favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    I'm assuming you are not a licensed firearm manufacturer in which case you are only allowed to manufacture firearms for your personal use and not for sale or distribution. In your shotgun building video you make it clear that the end purpose was to sell it.
    http://www.atf.gov/faq-page/316#t316n11091

    He may have unknowingly did you a favor.
    If you go to the video, from 3 to 54 seconds I specifically state that "I am building this for my own educational purposes" and that I may turn it in to a gun buyback because I will be done with it.

    As it was built for my own educational purposes, it is a legal build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    My bad....30-54 seconds (not 3-54)

    My own words are that it was built for educational purposes. Look again. It starts right at the 30 second mark.

    Perfectly lawful build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    I'm assuming you are not a licensed firearm manufacturer in which case you are only allowed to manufacture firearms for your personal use and not for sale or distribution. In your shotgun building video you make it clear that the end purpose was to sell it.
    http://www.atf.gov/faq-page/316#t316n11091

    He may have unknowingly did you a favor.
    Question, is it a true sale if just handed in for disposal and you receive a gift card?
    Does not a true sale have to go to a specific person, not a random LEO or Police Department?
    If a third party is paying, is it a sale? Or is the firearm a gift to the LEOs and the gift card is just a gift to you for participating?
    If a person going to the "turn-in" requested a background check performed on the LEO prior to handing the firearm over would they do it? It's illegal in Oregon to knowingly "sell" to a prohibited person, so shouldn't you CYA and require a background check?
    It is no questions asked, so they can't ask about who or where it was manufactured, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Sega View Post
    Question, is it a true sale if just handed in for disposal and you receive a gift card?
    Does not a true sale have to go to a specific person, not a random LEO or Police Department?
    If a third party is paying, is it a sale? Or is the firearm a gift to the LEOs and the gift card is just a gift to you for participating?
    If a person going to the "turn-in" requested a background check performed on the LEO prior to handing the firearm over would they do it? It's illegal in Oregon to knowingly "sell" to a prohibited person, so shouldn't you CYA and require a background check?
    It is no questions asked, so they can't ask about who or where it was manufactured, right?
    According to the Legislative Counsel, in a March 31, 2014 letter to Ginny (grab 'em all) Burdick, it's not a "SALE" and probably isn't even a "TRANSFER."

    This is how they justify their ILLEGAL GUN SHOWS......they just deny that any sales or transfers are happening. Remind anyone of a certain President who wanted the word "IS" defined?
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    You made national headlines!


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...hunt-bargains/


    Firearms enthusiasts crash gun buyback to hunt bargains

    The program took in more than 100 guns, but firearms enthusiasts claimed they made out even better. [Courtesy: Newport Police Department]
    A recent gun buyback event in Oregon, aimed at curbing the number of weapons on the street, turned into a planned profit making opportunity for a group of firearms enthusiasts.

    The Jan. 17 event was co-sponsored by Central Coast Ceasefire Oregon and the Newport Police Department, who offered gift cards to superstore Fred Meyer in return for guns, no questions asked. A sliding scale meant assault rifles fetched $175 gift cards each, and high capacity magazines were worth $25 credits at the store, which ironically sells firearms.

    Second Amendment supporters took to OpenCarry.org’s forum to spread the word about the event, and to plan out their attendance to make maximum profit.

    “A $25 gift card for "high capacity magazines - like the ones you can buy for $8?” questioned one forum member.

    "The turn-in does not pretend to be a market value exchange.”
    - Julie Wheeler, Ceasefire Oregon Education Foundation
    Another forum member, named "We-the-People," explained he would be attending the event to “make $200 profit off of the two junker pistols that I purchased for the purpose.”

    Members also planned to intercept attendees bringing in valuable guns, offering them cash before they could go inside and accept the gift cards.

    “I picked up five weapons including a Model 11 Remington SemiAuto 12-gauge from 1926, a Mossberg bolt-action 20-gauge from 1947-1950… AND a pre-1900, 12-gauge breech action with Damascus barrel......AND....... a couple of 22 pistols,” wrote the member.

    Lauded by organizers as a way to “avoid an unexpected tragedy, and show support for victims of gun violence,” the event netted a total of 138 guns. Those that pass background checks will be melted.

    A blogger named ‘Tom in Oregon’ took toTheTruthAboutGuns.com to discuss his experience at the turn-in event.* In a post titled “Who Says Gun ‘Buy Backs’ Are a Bad Thing,” he writes about how he gathered up his “jam-o-matics” to cash in.

    “I walked up to the first table and handed a Newport P.D. officer my grocery sack with the three zip-tied pieces of pot metal disguised as pistols. He didn’t take a second look at them as he piled them on a cart that probably had 75-100 guns of all flavors of rust,” wrote the blogger.

    "Tom in Oregon" wrote that the event was so popular, organizers actually ran out of gift cards. However, they promised to mail them to those who traded in guns and ammo.

    “So I had a nice drive to the coast, spent about $25 in diesel, and in a couple weeks should have $375 in gift cards that I will turn into either ammo, or a subcompact carry piece of a more modern and reliable nature," he wrote. "I love it when a plan comes together.”

    Julie Wheeler, president of Ceasefire Oregon Education Foundation, acknowledged that a profit can be made through these events, but insists that is not always the case.

    “The opposite is also possible," Wheeler told FoxNews.com in an e-mail. "Some firearms come in that are much more valuable than the awarded gift cards. The turn-in does not pretend to be a market value exchange.”

    A 2004 study by the National Research Council cast doubt on whether the programs actually make Americans safer, finding the “guns that are typically surrendered in gun buy-backs are those that are least likely to be used in criminal activities,” explains the study

    “In contrast, those who are either using guns to carry out crimes or as protection in the course of engaging in other illegal activities, such as drug selling, have actively acquired their guns and are unlikely to want to participate in such programs," the study said.

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    SNIPPED

    Quote Originally Posted by Cremator75 View Post
    You made national headlines!


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...hunt-bargains/


    Firearms enthusiasts crash gun buyback to hunt bargains

    The author of that story also contacted me through my YouTube channel for comments on yet another story regarding how easily gun buybacks are exploited by pro gun types.

    Heck, next thing you know they'll have me as their "go to" guy for such stuff.

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    ...need to copyright your OCDO posts so they have to pay you and Grape or get your permission to quote....


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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    ...need to copyright your OCDO posts so they have to pay you...
    I was rather complimented that my quote was considered succinct and fitting enough for their purposes. I am a little annoyed that their imperfect editing deleted my closing quotation mark in the phrase "high capacity magazines" so that it didn't come out as the ironic, mythical label it is. It actually made for a different tone in my entire quote.

    It's a very good reminder that this is a public forum, and anything we say represents "firearms enthusiasts" to the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Sega View Post
    Question, is it a true sale if just handed in for disposal and you receive a gift card?
    If you manufacture a firearm and gift it to your spouse that is considered distribution by the ATF. For their purposes I think a "buy back" event would constitute a sale or distribution.

    I'd like to see them required to do a background check on the police for each firearm at future "buy back" events in Washington, but I bet they'll claim the officers are performing their duty and therefore exempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    If you manufacture a firearm and gift it to your spouse that is considered distribution by the ATF. For their purposes I think a "buy back" event would constitute a sale or distribution.

    I'd like to see them required to do a background check on the police for each firearm at future "buy back" events in Washington, but I bet they'll claim the officers are performing their duty and therefore exempt.
    Here in Oregon there are NO EXEMPTIONS other than transferring TO an FFL. Police are NOT exempted. And this law was
    written by the anti's, pushed by the anti's, and now they're disregarding it en toto when THEY do it.

    They are holding ILLEGAL GUN SHOWS.

    They are guilty of a misdemeanor for not posting the legal requirements.
    Everyone who turns in a weapon is guilty of a misdemeanor for not requiring a background check prior to transfer.

    I think the next buyback we need to get 25 or so patriots to get there and get the front 25 slots in line. Then, when we walk up to the turn in desk, hand them the state police form for the background check. SMILE

    Imagine if they had everyone in line doing that to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well at least the first 25 or so. Maybe have someone 15 back or so holding an AR15. A couple further back holding an AK47. Etc.

    They'd WANT to take those weapons but the people in front of them want background checks done.....as would the ones holding the AR and the AK (which unbeknownst to the anti's aren't the ones for turn in...they're just BAIT). Imagine their horror when they say "not doing background checks" and those AR and AK guys go "oh, I don't want to commit a misdemeanor and transfer a weapon illegally....sorry, see ya".


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    If you manufacture a firearm and gift it to your spouse that is considered distribution by the ATF. For their purposes I think a "buy back" event would constitute a sale or distribution...
    Can you cite that spousal "distribution?" I'd like to know that one for sure in case it becomes an issue somewhere else, please.

    I also still don't follow how attempting to turn in a legally-made "unsafe" homemade firearm was wrong or illegal. I think the cop at the "buyback" made the wrong call in not taking it.

    I suppose once the cop declared it wasn't a firearm, one couldn't have been arrested for loading it and discharging it right in front of him, eh? Or would qualified immunity kick in and he'd still get to be the hero?
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    Here in Oregon there are NO EXEMPTIONS other than transferring TO an FFL. Police are NOT exempted. ...
    This is a very interesting observation.

    I suppose they might look at it as the procedure they follow when they "find" a gun "on the streets." Are these "transfers?" What about when they disarm a felon or suspect? Are those "transfers?"
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