Daniel_nimrod
Regular Member
I started dating a female in 1997 who had a stalker. I had met her on a Friday at a local bar and we hit it off pretty fast. Her ex boyfriend who happened to be the father of her child, had been calling leaving messages on the answering machine that he was going to kill the babies one by one in front of her and then slowly rape her while stabbing her to death then he would kill himself. He would constantly leave clues of his peeking into her windows at night by leaving cigarette butts outside the windows and footprints as well. She had tried to leave him numerous times but he just would not take "NO" for an answer. He would beat her relentlessly until she promised to stay with him.
She had explained to me that she kept coming back to him because of fear. She said the Police couldn't protect her and her children at all and it was just simpler to remain a victim and know where the next attack would come from and not be in more fear by having to watch her back if she were by herself. She then stated that the last violent episode had gone too far. He had threatened one of her children and she finally got a restraining order to keep him at bay.
This many years later I can now see how my being a cop played into her sense of feeling secure. I had the weapons she couldn't afford to buy and the training to teach her how to use them and she also NOW had a 24 hour "body guard" so to speak.
Thinking about this incident almost 18 years later I can't remember if I was still a deputy at this time or if it was after this that I resigned my commission. At any rate, it was around this time I resigned my commission to reside permanently in Oklahoma.
I remember thinking to myself that I should basically run fleeing away from this relationship and to never look back but if I had done so I believe this man would have eventually killed Terri and the kids.
As I mentioned previously I was a LEO in Louisiana, or had been, and was visiting my hometown on extensive leave to take care of my ailing mother. My intention was always to return to Louisiana and continue my career after whatever was to happen with my mother. After this incident I decided to stay with Terri to help her through the trauma of what had occurred. I will let you know that the trauma became too much for the both of us and we separated four months later.
Resuming where I left off before, I had just the Friday before started dating Terri and had spent the entire weekend at her apartment. As she had told me that for several months she had been harassed and stalked by the father of her son and that she had just the week prior retained a restraining order on Tony in the hopes that he would stop,
I advised her to let me train her on how to defend herself with a firearm. After hearing several recordings of Tony leaving very detailed and threatening messages on her answering machine it dawned on me that this man had slipped a cog or two and that his cheese had done slid off his cracker. I went to my house and brought several backup weapons over to familiarize her with them. We were to go to the range the next morning to teach her how to shoot. That is why most of my weapons were loaded with hardball ammo. On hindsight I now keep defensive ammo loaded at ALL times until reaching the range.
I've had many years to think about this entire thought process and the many warnings that sounded inside my head about keeping my distance and to stop and desist with any and all feelings of wanting to be this woman's hero but in retrospect hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. Besides I was young and dumb and every woman needs a hero right? So for whatever reason I stayed put. All the while knowing there was going to be a train wreck at the end. I stayed the course and only after many months of trying to get Terri to seek help that she blatantly would not do, I derailed and split the relationship.
The next morning was Monday I believe, I was going over to my moms house to check on her because she was ill but when I opened the front door to the house I was confronted by a note stuck to the tree with a Bowie knife just in front of the door. It simply stated,
"BITCH IM GOING TO KILL THE BABIES WHILE YOU WATCH THEN KILL YOU AND HIM THEN MYSELF" signed in his blood ~Tony~
I immediately went to condition orange. Looking everywhere around the house and outside in the bushes and stopped at the edge of the property feeling a sense of being watched. I was armed but it did little to ease my mind as there was a forest just at the edge of the property. I went inside and woke her. I quickly explained the note and told her to contact the Police Department.
As stated she already had a protective order against him but it was just a piece of paper. It wouldn't do any good to stand behind a sheet of paper and wave it in the face of a charging bull.
She called the police and was told that it was change of shift and could they please call her back to which she agreed as it wasn't exactly an emergency was it? She wasn't at that moment facing an imminent threat was she?
Terri then explained to me that I needed to go see to my mother as she was very ill and needed me to be there more than I was needed there with her. She explained that while her ex was very disturbed, she could take care of herself. To this I remember thinking to myself, "I shouldn't leave at a time like this" but my mom really needed me and I had promised to be there. I left her with the knowledge that there were handguns in the closet and all she had to do was grab any of them and start pulling the trigger as none of them had an external safety. She then stated, "I will shoot in the air to scare him off." I gave her a look of disbelief and horror and told her, "Understand that if he kicks open that front door he has violated the safety of your children and yourself. This is your dwelling, your home, your sanctuary and your private domain. If he kicks open that door or gains entry any other way, SHOOT TO STOP THE THREAT. And if that is to happen when the police get here you only need to say, I shot to stop the threat. Do not say anything else and plead the 5th until you have talked to a lawyer."
You may think that a police officer wouldn't tell someone something like this but being a cop in Louisiana and knowing to what lengths some officers go to get a confession has given me quite a bit of insight on these issues. This incident happened in Oklahoma so it's not like I had any influence on anything that might happen as a result of a death that might or might not occur. I was visiting my mom when all this happened and on vacation from my department in Louisiana. Anytime a death occurs, SHUT YOUR MOUTH and GET A LAWYER. A police officer is NOT your friend. Trust me on this. A simple meaningless "white lie" to you might be all that's needed to send you to prison for eternity. A police officer will try to find ANY inconsistency to prosecute you and if you're mind is so rattled after an occurrence such as this, (Which is SURE to be the case) that you forget any detail or tell something out of sequence, YOURE SCREWED.
So what happened?
After I left and feeling as if I was being watched the whole time, he made his move. Terri had just received her callback from the PD and the dispatcher was asking questions when the door started being kicked in.
The whole entire event was recorded and I got to hear it afterward because the detective let me listen to it. I suppose he did so knowing I was in Law Enforcement. To this day I really don't know why he let me hear it. Please don't quote me verbatim but the recording went something like this:
Dispatcher: "we are returning your call from earlier can you now elaborate on what's going on?"
Terri: "Yes, I have a P.O. Against my ex and he's been stalking me and leaving me feeling very scared. OH MY GOD, HE'S HERE AT MY DOOR."
Dispatcher: "Ma'am did you say he's at your door?"
Terri: "OH MY GOD, YES HE'S AT MY DOOR AND TRYING TO KICK IT DOWN. PLEASE SEND SOMEBODY NOW. I'VE GOT GUNS, IVE GOT A LOT OF GUNS. IF HE COMES IN I'M GOING TO SHOOT HIM. I HAVE CHILDREN HERE WITH ME."
Dispatcher: "Ma'am did you just advise you have children with you and that you are armed?"
*****Disturbance in background the entire time of this recording. Sounds of door being kicked in and of Tony yelling*****
"BITCH I'M COMING IN AND I'M GONNA KILL YOU BITCH."
Terri: "YES, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN HIDING IN THE BACK BEDROOM AND I HAVE JUST ARMED MYSELF WITH A PISTOL."
Dispatcher: "Ma'am I don't advise arming yourself I have a unit enroute you just need to remain calm okay. Just let the police handle this. Please don't get a gun."
Terri: "REALLY? WHAT? THERES A LUNATIC AT MY FUC$&$ING DOOR AND YOURE ACTUALLY TELLING ME NOT TO DEFEND MYSELF? IF HE COMES THROUGH THAT DOOR I'M SHOOTING!"
About this time in the recording Tony gains entry and you hear one gunshot and a pause. Then four more in quick succession.
The first shot went through his right hand which had been holding a knife and grazed the right rib cage and went out into the front yard.
In the attached news paper article it says he was shot four times, he was actually shot five times.
At this point in time a decision was made. If it had been made by a sane intelligent person it would have consisted of running at high speed AWAY from the danger and ending further confrontation. However, being hopped up on meth and spending many sleepless nights doing the same, a smart decision was avoided entirely and Tony decided to dive INTO the living room and pick up the coffee table, covering his upper and lower body with it. He was still screaming expletives the entire time while running toward Terri thinking 9mm ball ammo stops at a coffee table.
***Not only do they NOT stop at a coffee table, they continue THROUGH said coffee table, through the body of the person holding it and through the television set and one hit the wall behind the television set.***
Four more shots rang out. The shots that connected were later witnessed by myself shortly after I arrived on scene. Turns out that training at a firing range was not required. Terri had put the four rounds directly into his heart into a group I could have covered with a quarter. Hardball 9mm did NOT stop him from traveling through the entire living room and into the kitchen where he collapsed at the back wall.
The dispatcher after hearing shots fired sounded like she lost her mind. She went from calm cool and collected while telling Terri to become a victim by not arming herself to this babbling blubbering fool the next. Yelling, "SHOTS FIRED, SHOTS FIRED, I NEED ALL AVAILABLE UNITS...........blah....blah......blah
I had left and got the feeling that I desperately needed to get back where I started and hauled my ass back in time to see the ambulance and several police cruisers and crime scene tape all over the place.
In summation. This was a justifiable homicide. After all facts were collected and everything came to the conclusion of that very fact, I was approached by the lead detective who told me that he wanted to arrest Terri from the very beginning but the evidence wouldn't allow him to do it. I asked him what stopped him from the arrest and he simply told me that the restraining order was THE ONLY REASON.
Really? Are you kidding me? Even WITHOUT the restraining order this was an open and shut case of self defense and this a**hole would have arrested her for simply having no restraining order?
That's why I'm telling everybody that reads this, SHUT YOUR MOUTH, PLEAD THE FIFTH AND GET A LAWYER. POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS.
I always tell my friends about how they confiscated my weapon and held onto it four months after the shooting was a ruled justifiable homicide. I also tell them about the officer that had taken it from the scene had not returned my calls and would not speak to me about my firearm. Yes it was the cheapest one I owned with it being a Ruger P-95 9mm but it was mine and I wanted it back.
I finally cornered the officer at the local police department and he had no other choice but to give it back to me. I remember following him down to the squad room and past an evidence safe and straight to HIS wall locker. He opened the locker and reached up and retrieved my firearm and dropped the magazine out of it and commenced to take HIS personal self defense rounds out of it and handed it to me. I quickly examined my weapon and found that he had engraved, YES I SAID ENGRAVED, permanently the case number and HIS initials down both sides of my slide.
I was NOT happy to say the least. This weapon had been newly purchased by myself prior to coming to Oklahoma and still had the packing grease inside the slide and he decided to permanently engrave his initials and the case number on it?
Which is why I ALSO tell people, If by chance you do get involved in a situation where you have to defend yourself or a loved one, know that your weapon WILL be taken into evidence and you will not have it for awhile.
Not every Police Officer will try to keep your weapon as their own but I guess I'm just unlucky like that.
This Police Officer is no longer employed by anybody in our area. I don't know if it was because of this incident or a combination of others as well but he was no longer employed by them shortly after this incident.
I realize this was a very lengthy tale but I assure you it's all true. Check out the link I posted below. Thanks for reading and I know there are some who will pick through this but I'm a good guy and will answer questions when they arise.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/man-...cle_b241fa5c-4992-5fcd-9936-98a0d4b68560.html
http://newsok.com/domestic-dispute-blamed-in-death/article/2578953
Thanks again
Doc
She had explained to me that she kept coming back to him because of fear. She said the Police couldn't protect her and her children at all and it was just simpler to remain a victim and know where the next attack would come from and not be in more fear by having to watch her back if she were by herself. She then stated that the last violent episode had gone too far. He had threatened one of her children and she finally got a restraining order to keep him at bay.
This many years later I can now see how my being a cop played into her sense of feeling secure. I had the weapons she couldn't afford to buy and the training to teach her how to use them and she also NOW had a 24 hour "body guard" so to speak.
Thinking about this incident almost 18 years later I can't remember if I was still a deputy at this time or if it was after this that I resigned my commission. At any rate, it was around this time I resigned my commission to reside permanently in Oklahoma.
I remember thinking to myself that I should basically run fleeing away from this relationship and to never look back but if I had done so I believe this man would have eventually killed Terri and the kids.
As I mentioned previously I was a LEO in Louisiana, or had been, and was visiting my hometown on extensive leave to take care of my ailing mother. My intention was always to return to Louisiana and continue my career after whatever was to happen with my mother. After this incident I decided to stay with Terri to help her through the trauma of what had occurred. I will let you know that the trauma became too much for the both of us and we separated four months later.
Resuming where I left off before, I had just the Friday before started dating Terri and had spent the entire weekend at her apartment. As she had told me that for several months she had been harassed and stalked by the father of her son and that she had just the week prior retained a restraining order on Tony in the hopes that he would stop,
I advised her to let me train her on how to defend herself with a firearm. After hearing several recordings of Tony leaving very detailed and threatening messages on her answering machine it dawned on me that this man had slipped a cog or two and that his cheese had done slid off his cracker. I went to my house and brought several backup weapons over to familiarize her with them. We were to go to the range the next morning to teach her how to shoot. That is why most of my weapons were loaded with hardball ammo. On hindsight I now keep defensive ammo loaded at ALL times until reaching the range.
I've had many years to think about this entire thought process and the many warnings that sounded inside my head about keeping my distance and to stop and desist with any and all feelings of wanting to be this woman's hero but in retrospect hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. Besides I was young and dumb and every woman needs a hero right? So for whatever reason I stayed put. All the while knowing there was going to be a train wreck at the end. I stayed the course and only after many months of trying to get Terri to seek help that she blatantly would not do, I derailed and split the relationship.
The next morning was Monday I believe, I was going over to my moms house to check on her because she was ill but when I opened the front door to the house I was confronted by a note stuck to the tree with a Bowie knife just in front of the door. It simply stated,
"BITCH IM GOING TO KILL THE BABIES WHILE YOU WATCH THEN KILL YOU AND HIM THEN MYSELF" signed in his blood ~Tony~
I immediately went to condition orange. Looking everywhere around the house and outside in the bushes and stopped at the edge of the property feeling a sense of being watched. I was armed but it did little to ease my mind as there was a forest just at the edge of the property. I went inside and woke her. I quickly explained the note and told her to contact the Police Department.
As stated she already had a protective order against him but it was just a piece of paper. It wouldn't do any good to stand behind a sheet of paper and wave it in the face of a charging bull.
She called the police and was told that it was change of shift and could they please call her back to which she agreed as it wasn't exactly an emergency was it? She wasn't at that moment facing an imminent threat was she?
Terri then explained to me that I needed to go see to my mother as she was very ill and needed me to be there more than I was needed there with her. She explained that while her ex was very disturbed, she could take care of herself. To this I remember thinking to myself, "I shouldn't leave at a time like this" but my mom really needed me and I had promised to be there. I left her with the knowledge that there were handguns in the closet and all she had to do was grab any of them and start pulling the trigger as none of them had an external safety. She then stated, "I will shoot in the air to scare him off." I gave her a look of disbelief and horror and told her, "Understand that if he kicks open that front door he has violated the safety of your children and yourself. This is your dwelling, your home, your sanctuary and your private domain. If he kicks open that door or gains entry any other way, SHOOT TO STOP THE THREAT. And if that is to happen when the police get here you only need to say, I shot to stop the threat. Do not say anything else and plead the 5th until you have talked to a lawyer."
You may think that a police officer wouldn't tell someone something like this but being a cop in Louisiana and knowing to what lengths some officers go to get a confession has given me quite a bit of insight on these issues. This incident happened in Oklahoma so it's not like I had any influence on anything that might happen as a result of a death that might or might not occur. I was visiting my mom when all this happened and on vacation from my department in Louisiana. Anytime a death occurs, SHUT YOUR MOUTH and GET A LAWYER. A police officer is NOT your friend. Trust me on this. A simple meaningless "white lie" to you might be all that's needed to send you to prison for eternity. A police officer will try to find ANY inconsistency to prosecute you and if you're mind is so rattled after an occurrence such as this, (Which is SURE to be the case) that you forget any detail or tell something out of sequence, YOURE SCREWED.
So what happened?
After I left and feeling as if I was being watched the whole time, he made his move. Terri had just received her callback from the PD and the dispatcher was asking questions when the door started being kicked in.
The whole entire event was recorded and I got to hear it afterward because the detective let me listen to it. I suppose he did so knowing I was in Law Enforcement. To this day I really don't know why he let me hear it. Please don't quote me verbatim but the recording went something like this:
Dispatcher: "we are returning your call from earlier can you now elaborate on what's going on?"
Terri: "Yes, I have a P.O. Against my ex and he's been stalking me and leaving me feeling very scared. OH MY GOD, HE'S HERE AT MY DOOR."
Dispatcher: "Ma'am did you say he's at your door?"
Terri: "OH MY GOD, YES HE'S AT MY DOOR AND TRYING TO KICK IT DOWN. PLEASE SEND SOMEBODY NOW. I'VE GOT GUNS, IVE GOT A LOT OF GUNS. IF HE COMES IN I'M GOING TO SHOOT HIM. I HAVE CHILDREN HERE WITH ME."
Dispatcher: "Ma'am did you just advise you have children with you and that you are armed?"
*****Disturbance in background the entire time of this recording. Sounds of door being kicked in and of Tony yelling*****
"BITCH I'M COMING IN AND I'M GONNA KILL YOU BITCH."
Terri: "YES, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN HIDING IN THE BACK BEDROOM AND I HAVE JUST ARMED MYSELF WITH A PISTOL."
Dispatcher: "Ma'am I don't advise arming yourself I have a unit enroute you just need to remain calm okay. Just let the police handle this. Please don't get a gun."
Terri: "REALLY? WHAT? THERES A LUNATIC AT MY FUC$&$ING DOOR AND YOURE ACTUALLY TELLING ME NOT TO DEFEND MYSELF? IF HE COMES THROUGH THAT DOOR I'M SHOOTING!"
About this time in the recording Tony gains entry and you hear one gunshot and a pause. Then four more in quick succession.
The first shot went through his right hand which had been holding a knife and grazed the right rib cage and went out into the front yard.
In the attached news paper article it says he was shot four times, he was actually shot five times.
At this point in time a decision was made. If it had been made by a sane intelligent person it would have consisted of running at high speed AWAY from the danger and ending further confrontation. However, being hopped up on meth and spending many sleepless nights doing the same, a smart decision was avoided entirely and Tony decided to dive INTO the living room and pick up the coffee table, covering his upper and lower body with it. He was still screaming expletives the entire time while running toward Terri thinking 9mm ball ammo stops at a coffee table.
***Not only do they NOT stop at a coffee table, they continue THROUGH said coffee table, through the body of the person holding it and through the television set and one hit the wall behind the television set.***
Four more shots rang out. The shots that connected were later witnessed by myself shortly after I arrived on scene. Turns out that training at a firing range was not required. Terri had put the four rounds directly into his heart into a group I could have covered with a quarter. Hardball 9mm did NOT stop him from traveling through the entire living room and into the kitchen where he collapsed at the back wall.
The dispatcher after hearing shots fired sounded like she lost her mind. She went from calm cool and collected while telling Terri to become a victim by not arming herself to this babbling blubbering fool the next. Yelling, "SHOTS FIRED, SHOTS FIRED, I NEED ALL AVAILABLE UNITS...........blah....blah......blah
I had left and got the feeling that I desperately needed to get back where I started and hauled my ass back in time to see the ambulance and several police cruisers and crime scene tape all over the place.
In summation. This was a justifiable homicide. After all facts were collected and everything came to the conclusion of that very fact, I was approached by the lead detective who told me that he wanted to arrest Terri from the very beginning but the evidence wouldn't allow him to do it. I asked him what stopped him from the arrest and he simply told me that the restraining order was THE ONLY REASON.
Really? Are you kidding me? Even WITHOUT the restraining order this was an open and shut case of self defense and this a**hole would have arrested her for simply having no restraining order?
That's why I'm telling everybody that reads this, SHUT YOUR MOUTH, PLEAD THE FIFTH AND GET A LAWYER. POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS.
I always tell my friends about how they confiscated my weapon and held onto it four months after the shooting was a ruled justifiable homicide. I also tell them about the officer that had taken it from the scene had not returned my calls and would not speak to me about my firearm. Yes it was the cheapest one I owned with it being a Ruger P-95 9mm but it was mine and I wanted it back.
I finally cornered the officer at the local police department and he had no other choice but to give it back to me. I remember following him down to the squad room and past an evidence safe and straight to HIS wall locker. He opened the locker and reached up and retrieved my firearm and dropped the magazine out of it and commenced to take HIS personal self defense rounds out of it and handed it to me. I quickly examined my weapon and found that he had engraved, YES I SAID ENGRAVED, permanently the case number and HIS initials down both sides of my slide.
I was NOT happy to say the least. This weapon had been newly purchased by myself prior to coming to Oklahoma and still had the packing grease inside the slide and he decided to permanently engrave his initials and the case number on it?
Which is why I ALSO tell people, If by chance you do get involved in a situation where you have to defend yourself or a loved one, know that your weapon WILL be taken into evidence and you will not have it for awhile.
Not every Police Officer will try to keep your weapon as their own but I guess I'm just unlucky like that.
This Police Officer is no longer employed by anybody in our area. I don't know if it was because of this incident or a combination of others as well but he was no longer employed by them shortly after this incident.
I realize this was a very lengthy tale but I assure you it's all true. Check out the link I posted below. Thanks for reading and I know there are some who will pick through this but I'm a good guy and will answer questions when they arise.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/man-...cle_b241fa5c-4992-5fcd-9936-98a0d4b68560.html
http://newsok.com/domestic-dispute-blamed-in-death/article/2578953
Thanks again
Doc
