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    Chris Johnson (Jets RB) Arrested For Open Carry in FL

    "Jets running back Chris Johnson was charged and booked in his native Orlando, Florida, on Friday on a second-degree misdemeanor charge of open carrying of weapons/firearms, according to the online records of the Orange County Clerk of Courts.

    Orlando Police Department Sergeant Wanda Ford confirmed to NFL Media that Johnson was arrested Friday night.

    NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported that the 29-year-old was pulled over for rolling through a stop sign, per a source close to the player. The police officer asked to search his car. Johnson cooperated, as he had nothing to hide. The police found his licensed and registered firearm under a book bag under his seat instead of locked up in the car.

    The running back just capped off a disappointing season in New York with the Jets.

    The timing is obviously not fortuitous for Johnson, who will have a new general manager in the coming weeks; one that will decide whether to bring him back."

    Total BS.. Sounds like he stupidly consented to a search and helped the cops fill their quota. Will the gun groups help support him in this case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees98a View Post
    "Johnson cooperated, as he had nothing to hide.
    hmmm perhaps too stupid to be allowed to drive....
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    hmmm perhaps too stupid to be allowed to drive....
    ... or run back, what ever is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees98a View Post
    [snip...] "charged and booked in his native Orlando, Florida, on Friday on a second-degree misdemeanor charge of open carrying of weapons/firearms," [/snip]
    Sounds concealed, not OC, to me. No mention if he has a CCW.

    Quote Originally Posted by yankees98a View Post
    [snip...] "The police found his licensed and registered firearm under a book bag under his seat instead of locked up in the car." [/snip]
    A Florida lawyer site states that "The most common arrest for carrying a concealed firearm in Florida is when a hand gun is placed under a seat in a car without the hand gun being placed inside a snapped holster. This is generally against the law because the firearm is not “securely encased”. (underline mine)

    Not locked, just securely encased. LINK

    IANAL and I am not in Florida, so please correct me. I don't see OC here, I see concealed but not carried. Not sure that even if he does have a CCW if the car carry must still be securely encased if off body.

    Eagerly awaiting a Florida expert to join in the discussion.
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    Doing a search I see two different reports.

    That the officer saw the fire arm or the officer found the fire arm.

    No victim, no crime. Wonder if they even charged him with the failure to stop?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    He's on the Jets, isn't that penalty enough?

    More "I got nothing to hide" ignorant dummy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post

    No victim, no crime. Wonder if they even charged him with the failure to stop?
    whoa whoa whoa!
    The victim is clearly the state. The crime is well...uh...the budget deficit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Sega View Post
    Sounds concealed, not OC, to me. No mention if he has a CCW.
    I have seen several news reports that state that Cris Johnson does have a Florida Carry Permit.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nson-arrested/

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    If you have a CCW permit for FL, does the person have to notify the officer upon contact ?

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    Does state law require a gun to be in a holster/range bag at all times? whole thing sounds strange. Why not just tell him to get a holster?

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    There is no law that requires you to inform LEO'S that you are carrying. However the LEO'S will tell you that you do have to inform and some will give you a very hard time if you don't. You do have to tell them if they ask if you have any weapons on you or in your vehicle.

    You do not need a Concealed license to carry in your vehicle as long as it is securely in cased and not readily accessible.

    Securely in cased is in a retention holster, glove box, or anything you have to open or unlock, velcro strap or button to push.
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    conandan,

    So if you DO have a FL CCW or other recognized permit, is your firearm required to be in a case? What is the law on long guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    conandan,

    So if you DO have a FL CCW or other recognized permit, is your firearm required to be in a case? What is the law on long guns?
    If you have any ccw that Florida accepts it does not need to be in a case. Or securely in cased, that's the term Florida uses.

    I do not know the laws on long guns other than they can't be loaded when transporting in a vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conandan View Post
    You do have to tell them if they ask if you have any weapons on you or in your vehicle.
    I don't doubt you on this just would like to have the cite to check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    I don't doubt you on this just would like to have the cite to check it out.
    Doesn't matter anyway. You can't lie, and saying: "You aren't allowed to ask me that," or "None of your business," means "yes."
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    I did a quick look through 790 statues. The only thing I found so far was you have to show your ccw upon demand from a Leo. 790.06 I believe it was. And as said above. You do not want to lie and say you don't have a firearm. They will make it very hard on you if they find it.

    In Florida you really don't have much to worry about with a firearm in your vehicle. As long as it meets the securely encased standard, if you do not have a ccw.

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    I've had this situation happen to me. Pulled over for tag expiration (not 100% sure but my belief and agreed with by the DMV drones that my little sticker indicating the year the tag expires was stolen).
    Anyway it went like this:

    Cop: Your tag is expired.
    Me: Here's my registration it clearly is not expired.
    Cop: You must have forgotten to put the little sticker on your tag. Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?
    Me: What?
    Cop: Do you have any guns or other weapons?
    Me: Why are you asking me about guns?
    Cop: For both of our safeties.
    Me: I'm not answering your question.
    Cop: Ok so that means you do have a gun. (he literally said exactly this)
    Me: What's the point of asking? If I was a criminal I would just lie about it.
    Cop: We are trained to tell if you are lying or not.
    Me: I'm not answering.
    Cop: Look just answer my question and I won't write you a ticket and you can be on your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    I've had this situation happen to me. Pulled over for tag expiration (not 100% sure but my belief and agreed with by the DMV drones that my little sticker indicating the year the tag expires was stolen).
    Anyway it went like this:

    Cop: Your tag is expired.
    Me: Here's my registration it clearly is not expired.
    Cop: You must have forgotten to put the little sticker on your tag. Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?
    Me: What?
    Cop: Do you have any guns or other weapons?
    Me: Why are you asking me about guns?
    Cop: For both of our safeties.
    Me: I'm not answering your question.
    Cop: Ok so that means you do have a gun. (he literally said exactly this)
    Me: What's the point of asking? If I was a criminal I would just lie about it.
    Cop: We are trained to tell if you are lying or not.
    Me: I'm not answering.
    Cop: Look just answer my question and I won't write you a ticket and you can be on your way.

    Bolded your statement. Criminals would just lie. Just like they wouldnt obey a "no firearms" sign. It's all rather silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conandan View Post
    If you have any ccw that Florida accepts it does not need to be in a case. Or securely in cased, that's the term Florida uses.

    I do not know the laws on long guns other than they can't be loaded when transporting in a vehicle.
    So on the surface by the reports he wasn't breaking any law, including "open carry"?


    Quote Originally Posted by conandan View Post
    I did a quick look through 790 statues. The only thing I found so far was you have to show your ccw upon demand from a Leo. 790.06 I believe it was. And as said above. You do not want to lie and say you don't have a firearm. They will make it very hard on you if they find it.

    In Florida you really don't have much to worry about with a firearm in your vehicle. As long as it meets the securely encased standard, if you do not have a ccw.
    I thought Florida had a court case that showed this means only when lawful to do so. Like surrendering ID papers.?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    I've had this situation happen to me. Pulled over for tag expiration (not 100% sure but my belief and agreed with by the DMV drones that my little sticker indicating the year the tag expires was stolen).
    Anyway it went like this:

    Cop: Your tag is expired.
    Me: Here's my registration it clearly is not expired.
    Cop: You must have forgotten to put the little sticker on your tag. Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?
    Me: What?
    Cop: Do you have any guns or other weapons?
    Me: Why are you asking me about guns?
    Cop: For both of our safeties.
    Me: I'm not answering your question.
    Cop: Ok so that means you do have a gun. (he literally said exactly this)
    Me: What's the point of asking? If I was a criminal I would just lie about it.
    Cop: We are trained to tell if you are lying or not.
    Me: I'm not answering.
    Cop: Look just answer my question and I won't write you a ticket and you can be on your way.
    That would be a great exchange on my dash cam. I'll even take the ticket to introduce it in court.

    Please tell me you've since acquired a dash cam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    I've had this situation happen to me. Pulled over for tag expiration (not 100% sure but my belief and agreed with by the DMV drones that my little sticker indicating the year the tag expires was stolen).
    Anyway it went like this:

    Cop: Your tag is expired.
    Me: Here's my registration it clearly is not expired.
    Cop: You must have forgotten to put the little sticker on your tag. Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?
    Me: What?
    Cop: Do you have any guns or other weapons?
    Me: Why are you asking me about guns?
    Cop: For both of our safeties.
    Me: I'm not answering your question.
    Cop: Ok so that means you do have a gun. (he literally said exactly this)
    Me: What's the point of asking? If I was a criminal I would just lie about it.
    Cop: We are trained to tell if you are lying or not.
    Me: I'm not answering.
    Cop: Look just answer my question and I won't write you a ticket and you can be on your way.
    How on earth is you knowing, one way or the other, making anyone safer? You should believe that I am armed so why ask in the first place?

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    I always inform just because there was usually a good reason for stopping me so i prefer to talk guns instead of speeding. Anyway, last fall, i was late to a ride and was stopped riding a wee bit fast. I forgot to tell him about my permit. Anyway, when he comes back i went to tell him and he cut me off mid sentence "first off, you arent required to inform under TN law, secondly, i assume everyone has a gun. if you don't, you're a dumb@ss and deserve to get shot" (we're in memphis so that may help some of you understand his rational). Anyway, it was pretty funny.

    back to the current case though. If he has a permit and the gun was not cased, it doesnt sound like any laws were broken. Having a gun in your car isnt OCing (at least in my mind but Im not an LEO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    That would be a great exchange on my dash cam. I'll even take the ticket to introduce it in court.

    Please tell me you've since acquired a dash cam!
    No. And he didn't give me a ticket anyway. It's funny it was a WV Trooper and when I told my neighbor and very good friend who has been a WV Trooper for a long long time he seemed very concerned and even irritated about the ordeal. I assumed he was harassing me because it came up on his PC that I was a CHP holder, but my buddy doesn't think it comes up. Or it didn't back when he was ticket-cop. He's been in the undercover drug side of it for years though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    So on the surface by the reports he wasn't breaking any law, including "open carry"?




    I thought Florida had a court case that showed this means only when lawful to do so. Like surrendering ID papers.?
    From the information I had seen about what happened, I don't see what law he violated. The article I read said he had a permit I take that to mean a CWFL. So he can have it anywhere in the vehicle. And having it under the seat is not open carrying. I would guess the charges will be dropped if the report are accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conandan View Post
    From the information I had seen about what happened, I don't see what law he violated. The article I read said he had a permit I take that to mean a CWFL. So he can have it anywhere in the vehicle. And having it under the seat is not open carrying. I would guess the charges will be dropped if the report are accurate.
    Sucks to be him. Can be the rap (hopefully) but cant beat the ride.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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