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How best to carry in Nevada (non-resident)

VinnAY

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I was born and raised to 13years old in Henderson and Vegas, we left at that time. In 2014 both parents retired and returned to Henderson. I visit my parents several times a year in Henderson/Clark County, I have a Missouri CCW which is not recognized by Nevada. I've been carrying concealed for 4+ years. How best could I approach this situation? Go about the process to get a Nevada non-resident? Open Carry even though its not for me personally? (to be clear I support it 100% for everyone...but I've never done it, yet.) I considered other states with non-resident CCWs like Utah or Florida but those aren't recognized by Nevada, either.
I can fly with my firearm, no problem and shoot with my Dad but the real point of bringing it, is too carry it.

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MAC702

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You will need (at least until the law maybe changes this summer) the permit to conceal recognized by Nevada, and like you say, none of yours are. Sorry about that. You can start the process here on your next visit (it must be done in person, and the training must take place in the state) but it will take four months to receive your permit and you can't conceal until it is issued.

If it is easy for you to get the nearby Kansas permit, that will be recognized in Nevada.

Open carry is alive and well in Nevada, even in metropolitan Las Vegas. There are very few places that will ask you to leave because of it. You can go it alone, or let us know when you are in town and there are several who can be available for an afternoon to get you used to it.

Without a permit, you can also have the handgun fully loaded and anywhere in your vehicle at all times, too.
 
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VinnAY

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Thanks guys I may just have to suck it up and have this be my introduction to open carry. Unfortunately KS has no non-resident CCWs.
 

DON`T TREAD ON ME

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Thanks guys I may just have to suck it up and have this be my introduction to open carry. Unfortunately KS has no non-resident CCWs.

If you "Embrace" the experience, You will most likely have an awesome time.
Pick your rig, and practice different dress options, Casual Semi, Etc.
Realize that while the experience is new to you, It most likely wont be fro the people observing you.
When you recognize that you are actually exercising your 2-A (not permission) It might make you a proud man. (Jus Sayin)
 

garand_guy

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Open carry when you visit. It will limit you from carrying in casinos and what not, but the legal restrictions are few and the social worries are none. I've met a few travelers from out of state who open carry here because they can't conceal.

If you do get a CCW, as a non-resident, you can pick any county. Find one that has a quick turn around time. Fly into Reno, check out maybe Douglas or Hawthorne counties. IDK. Nevada Shooters has a good thread on it. BTW, Hawthorne is a county here, right?
 

MAC702

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Gotta brush up on my Nevada counties. Good thing I know I live in Las Vegas County! Whew!

NO, NO. NO. Las Vegas is in California County! :D At least is sure seems like it sometimes. I always apologize to the rest of the state after an election.
 
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The Nevada CCW program is regulated heavily by a Non-Profit organization, The Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association.

The Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association has been show thanks to DTOM and others they do have their on agenda. I am of the opinion they make their decisions on their own agenda and political pressure with very little input from pro-gun groups.
 

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Any reason why NV is so strict on permits they recognize? NV is one of the worst, besides New England states.

NV law basically says that NV will recognize a permit from another state if their issuing standards are at least as restrictive as ours. Many states don't have a live-fire qualification requirement, so they are out. Some states have a longer than five-year renewal, so they are out. Some states don't have at least 8 hours of required, certified training, so they are out.

While it is a problem that there is a non-profit private corporation making the determination whether or not those states are at least 'up to our standards,' it is a different problem.
 

DON`T TREAD ON ME

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NV law basically says that NV will recognize a permit from another state if their issuing standards are at least as restrictive as ours. Many states don't have a live-fire qualification requirement, so they are out. Some states have a longer than five-year renewal, so they are out. Some states don't have at least 8 hours of required, certified training, so they are out.

While it is a problem that there is a non-profit private corporation making the determination whether or not those states are at least 'up to our standards,' it is a different problem.

While these points are accurate, It is hard to ignore the fact that the NSCA was formed in the same legislative session that allows CCW with other states. It was a "round table" with very little involvement allowed from non governmental groups and individuals. They have been effective at ensuring the majority of visitors to Nevada, leave their means of self defense at home. Reading through the legislative intent is upsetting. Watch who objects to any constitutional carry laws, and see what happens, The NSCA is the 800 lb. gorilla.
 

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Hi Folks.

Hopefully this is a good thread to drop a question. I have been reading a lot on this forum recently regarding OC. I am a CCW resident of Montana, looking to travel to Calif. (Ya, I know, dumb but necessary). Normally I carry IWB concealed. My permit is good in Idaho, but obviously NV is in the route to Calif via I-80. I have read in another thread that you can get away with an IWB as long as you shirt is tucked in and the gun is visible. And in this thread I have read that OC is really not an issue. However, there is one issue that has not really been addressed directly. I am an old guy and will probably stop at a rest stop or two on the way through the state.

Question one: Anybody had any direct live experience as to what "Display" means (In terms a dummy can understand)? Do I have to leave a loaded gun in the car if I use the Facilities? Or does display mean showing it around out of the holster?

Also, I will probably stay at the Shilo Inn in Elko. Any issues there that I should know about with OC? I'd hate like hell to loose a 1600$ firearm or get arrested inadvertently.

Any assistance on this would be of great value.

Thanks in advance.

John
Billings, MT
 

The Big Guy

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Hi Folks.

Hopefully this is a good thread to drop a question. I have been reading a lot on this forum recently regarding OC. I am a CCW resident of Montana, looking to travel to Calif. (Ya, I know, dumb but necessary). Normally I carry IWB concealed. My permit is good in Idaho, but obviously NV is in the route to Calif via I-80. I have read in another thread that you can get away with an IWB as long as you shirt is tucked in and the gun is visible. And in this thread I have read that OC is really not an issue. However, there is one issue that has not really been addressed directly. I am an old guy and will probably stop at a rest stop or two on the way through the state.

Question one: Anybody had any direct live experience as to what "Display" means (In terms a dummy can understand)? Do I have to leave a loaded gun in the car if I use the Facilities? Or does display mean showing it around out of the holster?

Also, I will probably stay at the Shilo Inn in Elko. Any issues there that I should know about with OC? I'd hate like hell to loose a 1600$ firearm or get arrested inadvertently.

Any assistance on this would be of great value.

Thanks in advance.

John
Billings, MT

John you are good to go. As long as your firearm is recognizable by ordinary observation you are fine. Don't worry, it causes stress wrinkles.

TBG
 

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John you are good to go. As long as your firearm is recognizable by ordinary observation you are fine. Don't worry, it causes stress wrinkles.

TBG

Okay, but what about the "Rest Areas"? Is that included in your answer? That's the one that worry's me the most. I know they have a DOT reg on "Displaying a firearm" in a rest area with a up to $1000.00 Fine. That would ruin my trip :cry:

And, thanks to Big Guy and Steve for the super fast answers.

John
Billings, MT
 
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MAC702

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That law about 'displaying in a rest area' has never actually been used, to my knowledge. I've never met a cop or prosecutor who even knows what it means. Practically, we completely ignore that law because of its vagueness. We all travel the interstates and use the rest areas with loaded guns openly carried in our holsters.

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Nevada Administrative Code 408.615 says that one may not "exhibit or use a firearm or other weapon" in a roadside park or rest area. This makes it even more clear that a holstered gun is fine. And note that this is an administrative code, not a Nevada Revised Statute. The difference is significant. State preemption laws are strong in Nevada in at least one important way relevant to this issue: NAC's do not come from the Legislature, and are therefore null and void when it comes to firearms and ammunition regulations.

And lastly, let's assume the world falls apart and someone nabs you for it and they throw the book at you. The penalty, per NRS 408.433, for your first violation, is a $100 fine. And you'd be the first I've ever heard of.

What "DOT reg" do you "know" about?
 
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IPSCShooter

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That law about 'displaying in a rest area' has never actually been used, to my knowledge. I've never met a cop or prosecutor who even knows what it means. Practically, we completely ignore that law because of its vagueness. We all travel the interstates and use the rest areas with loaded guns openly carried in our holsters.

EDIT with details:

Nevada Administrative Code 408.615 says that one may not "exhibit or use a firearm or other weapon" in a roadside park or rest area. This makes is even more clear that a holstered gun is fine. And note that this is an administrative code, not a Nevada Revised Statute. The difference is significant. State preemption laws are strong in Nevada in at least one important way relevant to this issue: NAC's do not come from the Legislature, and are therefore null and void when it comes to firearms and ammunition regulations.

And lastly, let's assume the world falls apart and someone nabs you for it and they throw the book at you. The penalty, per NRS 408.433, for your first violation, is a $100 fine. And you'd be the first I've ever heard of.

What "DOT reg" do you "know" about?

Thanks Mac. The word was "exhibit", not display. That is the regulation I was worried about. It is Nevada's Dept. of Transportation, Roadside Parks and Safety Areas. And, I do believe they have changed the fine to "up to $1000.00".


Quote:

"NV Rev Stat § 408.433 (2014)

1. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 408.553, it is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation, association or other entity, other than a public utility, to:

(a) Sell, exhibit or offer for sale any goods, wares, products, merchandise or services; or

(b) Erect, place, post or maintain any sign, billboard, placard, notice or other form of advertising,

in any roadside park or safety rest area in this state, or in the approaches thereto.

2. Any person who violates any provision of this section or any regulation adopted under this chapter governing roadside parks or safety rest areas shall be punished by a fine of not more than $1,000 for a first offense and not more than $5,000 for each subsequent offense."

End Quote

I am glad to hear nobody cares. I have chased threads all over without a real life answer to that question.

All answers are greatly appreciated.

A tip from Montana if you are pointed this way. We are a Open Carry state with hardly anybody caring either. However, an IWB holster, even with the gun NOT covered, IS considered CCW. They define open carry up here as NO part of wearing apparel covering any part of the gun. They do not define it as a normal person recognizing it is a gun. On the good side, Purses, Backpacks, Briefcases & in Galco's case, a Day-timer is NOT considered concealed. It has to be covered by normal wearing apparel. We also recognize Nevada's CCW permits.

Thanks again to all.

Have a great weekend.

John
Billings, MT
 
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