Confrontation Between Pro-Gun Activists and Texas Democrat

Pro-gun activists descended upon the Texas Capitol on Tuesday to support a new bill that would legalize the open carry of handguns in the Lone Star State. During their demonstration, some of the advocates reportedly ambushed a Democratic lawmaker in his office and other representatives who refused to support the bill.

Members of the Tarrant County chapter of Open Carry Texas reportedly confronted Representative Poncho Nevarez (D-Eagle Pass) in his office and questioned him about his stance on the open carry bill and the Second Amendment. The exchange quickly turned tense after the Democrat refused to support their cause.

“The Constitution… is coming to Texas,” one of the activists is heard saying on video.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...exas-capitol-has-open-carry-leader-so-pissed/

ATTABOY 'JOHN WAYNE' KEEP UP THE PRESSURE! Can't believe Texans have to go through this! TEXAS?

Law abider said:

Can't believe Texans have to go through this! TEXAS?

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I know. It's almost like Texas is finally ready to stop being an anti-gun ****hole of Californian proportions.

I wait with bated breath.

Law abider said:

Pro-gun activists descended upon the Texas Capitol on Tuesday to support a new bill that would legalize the open carry of handguns in the Lone Star State. During their demonstration, some of the advocates reportedly ambushed a Democratic lawmaker in his office and other representatives who refused to support the bill.

Members of the Tarrant County chapter of Open Carry Texas reportedly confronted Representative Poncho Nevarez (D-Eagle Pass) in his office and questioned him about his stance on the open carry bill and the Second Amendment. The exchange quickly turned tense after the Democrat refused to support their cause.

“The Constitution… is coming to Texas,” one of the activists is heard saying on video.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...exas-capitol-has-open-carry-leader-so-pissed/

ATTABOY 'JOHN WAYNE' KEEP UP THE PRESSURE! Can't believe Texans have to go through this! TEXAS?

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The confrontational children are not members of OCT or any chapter of OCT. They are not members of a Tarrant County chapter of OCT. They are part of a completely autonomous and unaffiliated organization called Open Carry Tarrant County.

In other news, Lone Star Gun Rights cordially handed out petitions to various representatives showing signatures of each representative's constituents in support of HB195. Additionally, Come And Take It drew some attention by unveiling their Ghost Gunner machine and manufacturing a lower* receiver right there at the capitol. There are other progresses being made as well, let's focus on the good.

*Edited for correct part being made.

Is it true like MOM$ said , that the chicken secretions, installed panic buttons because the citizens scared them

stealthyeliminator said:

The confrontational children are not members of OCT or any chapter of OCT. They are not members of a Tarrant County chapter of OCT. They are part of a completely autonomous and unaffiliated organization called Open Carry Tarrant County.

In other news, Lone Star Gun Rights cordially handed out petitions to various representatives showing signatures of each representative's constituents in support of HB195. Additionally, Come And Take It drew some attention by unveiling their Ghost Gunner machine and manufacturing an upper receiver right there at the capitol. There are other progresses being made as well, let's focus on the good.

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We rightly pile on the bad apples among the cops, and onto the good cops who provide cover for the bad apples among them.

I'm among those who believes that moderate/sensible Muslims have an obligation to speak out more forcefully against the radicals/jihadists if they don't want the terrorists to define the religion of Islam.

Can we hold ourselves to any lower standard and retain our integrity?

The old liberal saw of "no enemies to the left" is good. We ought not eat our own simply because they exercise their rights a little differently than we do or occupy a different part of the political landscape than we do. But there is truly bad conduct that needs to be condemned by those who don't want that conduct to reflect on the larger group of which they are a part.

Not only is incivility in such cases as described unproductive, it is also indicative of weakness. If I have the votes to take a seat from an incumbent, I can be the most pleasant person in the world. I will show him all the respect his office deserves as I defeat him in the next election and take that office from him. If I have the votes to unseat him, the odds are very good I'll quickly have his vote on my bills. If I don't have the votes to unseat him, why would I waste my breath being unpleasant and giving my enemies any ammo to use against me.

"An armed society is a polite society" should show through in all we do.

And those among us who violate this credo with elected government officials, should be denounced publicly lest they tarnish the image of all gun owners/activists.

Then, either defeat the SOB in the next election, or make him such a minority in the legislature with his anti-RKBA views that his time there is miserable.

Charles

Utbagpiper, well said sir.

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Can't believe Texans have to go through this! TEXAS?

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Texas is part of the Old South and has some Jim Crow era gun laws to shed. That the stereotype doesn't quite match up to reality simply demonstrates that some stereotypes are flawed.

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I know. It's almost like Texas is finally ready to stop being an anti-gun ****hole of Californian proportions.

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On the flip side, to suggest that a ban on Openly Carrying puts a shall-issue State like Texas in the same realm as Cali is an unsupportable assertion. If I'm not mistaken, Florida still has an effective ban on OCing of guns carried pursuant to a permit to carry. And we all owe Florida a vote of thanks for starting the whole modern shall issue trend that is now moving toward Constitutional Carry. We are down to only about 10 States that retain discriminatory issue. They rightly deserve their own category of abject hostility to meaningful statutory recognition of our rights.

Like all States, there is work to do in Texas. But they are no where close to California as best I understand.

Charles

utbagpiper said:

If I'm not mistaken, Florida still has an effective ban on OCing of guns carried pursuant to a permit to carry. And we all owe Florida a vote of thanks for starting the whole modern shall issue trend that is now moving toward Constitutional Carry.

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Perhaps. But I live in and travel throughout the South, and I find Florida to be second only to South Carolina in onerousness, and as a practical matter neither is a huge improvement on California (at least, as a visitor).

Texas isn't, for a visitor, much better than California (although you can at least carry your OC rifle loaded in Texas), and yet most Texans act like it's the most pro-gun place on Earth. As long as they're gonna be "all hat and no cattle" in that regard, I won't give them due credit.

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Perhaps. But I live in and travel throughout the South, and I find Florida to be second only to South Carolina in onerousness, and as a practical matter neither is a huge improvement on California (at least, as a visitor).

Texas isn't, for a visitor, much better than California (although you can at least carry your OC rifle loaded in Texas), and yet most Texans act like it's the most pro-gun place on Earth. As long as they're gonna be "all hat and no cattle" in that regard, I won't give them due credit.

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I'm all for pushing back when someone is making claims that are outrageous (as might be obvious). But I think the biggest objection one can have for Texas is that their gun laws don't live up to their image.

Do Florida, South Carolina, or Texas make you a criminal simply because your magazine holds more than 8 or 10 rounds or whatever the limit is in Cali?

Do any of these three ban various guns based on cosmetic features?

Do any of them have any cases where a loaded magazine "near" an unloaded gun, actually constitutes a loaded gun in violation of law as Cali seems to have?

Texas and Florida both honor my Utah carry permit. Cali and South Carolina do not.

I'm thinking there are some objective and important differences between Texas/Florida (at least) and Cali.

Charles

stealthyeliminator said:

Additionally, Come And Take It drew some attention by unveiling their Ghost Gunner machine and manufacturing an upper receiver right there at the capitol. <snip>

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Whoa ... an upper? Not a lower? I thought that they were going to make a gun (ie lower)?

utbagpiper said:

I'm all for pushing back when someone is making claims that are outrageous (as might be obvious). But I think the biggest objection one can have for Texas is that their gun laws don't live up to their image.

Do Florida, South Carolina, or Texas make you a criminal simply because your magazine holds more than 8 or 10 rounds or whatever the limit is in Cali?

Do any of these three ban various guns based on cosmetic features?

Do any of them have any cases where a loaded magazine "near" an unloaded gun, actually constitutes a loaded gun in violation of law as Cali seems to have?

Texas and Florida both honor my Utah carry permit. Cali and South Carolina do not.

I'm thinking there are some objective and important differences between Texas/Florida (at least) and Cali.

Charles

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See, the thing is, I don't travel with my EBRs. I do travel with my handguns. Granted, the magazine thing only doesn't bother me because I keep a 1911 with me for personal defense. But it's always been remarkable to me that, as a practical matter, I do basically the same things in FL and SC as I do in CA (when I visit).

I admit my statements are a reflection of my personal situation/bias. So be it. Texas is free to infringe the aspects of the RKBA I'm actually likely to use there less than California does at any time.

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I admit my statements are a reflection of my personal situation/bias.

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Well that clears it up.

Charles

davidmcbeth said:

Whoa ... an upper? Not a lower? I thought that they were going to make a gun (ie lower)?

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I misspoke. My mistake.

utbagpiper said:

Texas is part of the Old South and has some Jim Crow era gun laws to shed. That the stereotype doesn't quite match up to reality simply demonstrates that some stereotypes are flawed.



On the flip side, to suggest that a ban on Openly Carrying puts a shall-issue State like Texas in the same realm as Cali is an unsupportable assertion. If I'm not mistaken, Florida still has an effective ban on OCing of guns carried pursuant to a permit to carry. And we all owe Florida a vote of thanks for starting the whole modern shall issue trend that is now moving toward Constitutional Carry. We are down to only about 10 States that retain discriminatory issue. They rightly deserve their own category of abject hostility to meaningful statutory recognition of our rights.

Like all States, there is work to do in Texas. But they are no where close to California as best I understand.

Charles

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As a historical note; Indiana instituted a CCW law in 1934, Flori-duh copied Indiana.

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I'm among those who believes that moderate/sensible Muslims have an obligation to speak out more forcefully against the radicals/jihadists if they don't want the terrorists to define the religion of Islam.

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^ this. I have a few muslim friends and all they talk about is islamphobia or the cartoons were offensive. No heartfelt condemnation for the attacks.


At any rate, those OC activists probably werent helpful to their cause.

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As a historical note; Indiana instituted a CCW law in 1934, Flori-duh copied Indiana.

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I assume it was discriminatory-issue at that point. I thought the shall issue parade was started by Florida in '87, though some recent reading informs me that Washington State adopted a shall issue permit in '61. It seems Washington didn't really lead off on multi-State change, while Florida did. Maybe a case of Florida being the first to react to a sea change in public sentiment.

Charles

utbagpiper said:

Texas is part of the Old South and has some Jim Crow era gun laws to shed. That the stereotype doesn't quite match up to reality simply demonstrates that some stereotypes are flawed.



On the flip side, to suggest that a ban on Openly Carrying puts a shall-issue State like Texas in the same realm as Cali is an unsupportable assertion. If I'm not mistaken, Florida still has an effective ban on OCing of guns carried pursuant to a permit to carry. And we all owe Florida a vote of thanks for starting the whole modern shall issue trend that is now moving toward Constitutional Carry. We are down to only about 10 States that retain discriminatory issue. They rightly deserve their own category of abject hostility to meaningful statutory recognition of our rights.

Like all States, there is work to do in Texas. But they are no where close to California as best I understand.

Charles

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How does government get away with doing away with the supreme law of the land: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof...which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. Article 6. What happened to that?

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How does government get away with doing away with the supreme law of the land: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof...which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. Article 6. What happened to that?

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Depends on your perspective.

Some would argue that it is nothing but rank tyranny: might makes right.

Others might take a more charitable view and recognize that the first SCOTUS ruling to ever deal directly with RKBA (with both sides properly represented) was Heller, in 2007. Heller was then incorporated against the States by McDonald a year or two later.

The courts are still (and probably always will be) teasing out the limits of the 1st amendment, 4th and 5th amendments, etc.

IOW, even those of us who subscribe to a strict constructionist and/or original intent meaning of the constitution, have to concede that we've spent all of our nation's history working out exactly what the limits of government power and individual liberty are under various cases.

On RKBA, at least, we seem to be headed the right direction.

Charles

utbagpiper said:

Depends on your perspective.

Some would argue that it is nothing but rank tyranny: might makes right.

Others might take a more charitable view and recognize that the first SCOTUS ruling to ever deal directly with RKBA (with both sides properly represented) was Heller, in 2007. Heller was then incorporated against the States by McDonald a year or two later.

The courts are still (and probably always will be) teasing out the limits of the 1st amendment, 4th and 5th amendments, etc.

IOW, even those of us who subscribe to a strict constructionist and/or original intent meaning of the constitution, have to concede that we've spent all of our nation's history working out exactly what the limits of government power and individual liberty are under various cases.

On RKBA, at least, we seem to be headed the right direction.

Charles

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Therein lies the problem: finding out the limits today. I don't know of any SCOTUS judge or otherwise except one that will look to the founders writings etc... and tradition before he bangs the gavel. I agree RKBA is heading in the right direction as it is in Alaska.

Law abider said:

Therein lies the problem: finding out the limits today. I don't know of any SCOTUS judge or otherwise except one that will look to the founders writings etc... and tradition before he bangs the gavel. I agree RKBA is heading in the right direction as it is in Alaska.

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While far from perfect, I think the Robert's court is doing better than some predecessors in looking to black letter constitutional language and original intent. On Obamacare, I certainly wish he'd looked beyond 16th amendment unlimited power to tax to explore limits on spending the money that is collected and found the feds have no constitutional authority to run a healthcare financial plan for the general populace. But that isn't really related to guns.

Eternal vigilance and work. Every election matters, every appointment to the bench is important. Winning the hearts and minds of our neighbors cannot be ignored.

Charles