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    Texas Senator says unlicensed open carry will reach Governor's desk this session

    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.c...rry-bill.html/

    "Newly sworn in Sen. Don Huffines said Thursday the Texas Legislature would approve a bill that allows Texans to carry guns without a permit."
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    ...without a permit."
    Wow. In Texas, of all places.

    I don't cuss often, but it's about f---ing time.

    I visit Texas once a year for a couple weeks, and do more concealing of my sidearm there than I do the rest of the year in Nevada.
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    Man, this is awesome news!

    The only thing I'm worried about is how this will affect my Texas CHL and ability to carry concealed in other states while traveling since I do it quite a bit for work. Is there another OC bill I don't know about besides 195 and 106?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Man, this is awesome news!

    The only thing I'm worried about is how this will affect my Texas CHL and ability to carry concealed in other states while traveling since I do it quite a bit for work. Is there another OC bill I don't know about besides 195 and 106?
    Don't see anything that will stop/hinder those that desire a permit from getting one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Man, this is awesome news!

    The only thing I'm worried about is how this will affect my Texas CHL and ability to carry concealed in other states while traveling since I do it quite a bit for work. Is there another OC bill I don't know about besides 195 and 106?
    The CHL will still exist so you can CC in other states. If unlicensed carry passes in Texas, I would still keep mine for that reason plus the ability to buy firearms in TX without waiting for a background check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Man, this is awesome news!

    The only thing I'm worried about is how this will affect my Texas CHL and ability to carry concealed in other states while traveling since I do it quite a bit for work. Is there another OC bill I don't know about besides 195 and 106?
    There are several open carry bills, at least seven if I'm not mistaken. Thankfully the constitutional carry bills do not gut out the CHL laws, so reciprocity should remain intact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Man, this is awesome news!

    The only thing I'm worried about is how this will affect my Texas CHL and ability to carry concealed in other states while traveling since I do it quite a bit for work. Is there another OC bill I don't know about besides 195 and 106?
    It wont change anything with your reciprocity with other states. Mississippi did the same thing a few years ago. You are still required to have a permit to CC but unlicensed open carry is now in effect. For those that travel frequently, CC/HCP permits are still available.

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    House Bill 195 basically guts most of what is now titled Unlawfully Carrying a Weapon. If enacted, HB 195 would allow unlicensed carry of a handgun within the State, but it does not address the Concealed Handgun License. Therefore, the CHL would still be available to those who want one, but it wouldn't be a requirement in Texas.

    Here's a link to House Bill 195.

    Edit: Also, technically HB 195 wouldn't allow constitutional carry. The Texas State Constitution is not being changed. What HB 195 actually does is decriminalize non-criminal carry of weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preyn2 View Post
    ... Also, technically HB 195 wouldn't allow constitutional carry...
    I almost always have a problem with the term "constitutional carry." In most cases, it does NOT apply to 18-21-year-old legal adults, or others that don't meet certain criteria, but are still otherwise adults that can own firearms legally. I have the same problem when "shall issue" exempts the same legal adults, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I almost always have a problem with the term "constitutional carry." In most cases, it does NOT apply to 18-21-year-old legal adults, or others that don't meet certain criteria, but are still otherwise adults that can own firearms legally. I have the same problem when "shall issue" exempts the same legal adults, too.
    Just a thought here, but we've always had a graduated age of majority in this nation. Notice that one cannot serve as a US Representative until age 25, as a Senator until 30, and as VP or POTUS until 35. Consider on how old those ages were in the late 18th century when a man of 20 might well expect to live to 60 (generally reported "average" life expectancy numbers are from birth and are dragged down by high infant mortality rates) compared to that same 20 year old expecting to live to nearly 80 today. The official minimum age of enlistment in the Continental Army was 16, 15 with parental consent. But 35 to be eligible to serve as president.

    It is interesting to me that most current research indicates that the human brain doesn't full develop until about age 25.

    In light of this, we might well argue that the age of majority should be raised a bit lest we punish someone for a crime as though he were a fully matured adult, when biologically, his brain is still very much growing and maturing. At least that is what a dispassionate use of scientific evidence to make public policy would strongly suggest.

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    Will people still have to meet the same requirements to conceal their handguns?

    Why would we still have to pay fees and jump through all the required hoops to conceal the same weapon that can be worn open by anyone?

    What will the individual legal requirements be to OC a handgun? Anyone who can fog up a mirror?

    Personally, I'd rather conceal it. That keeps the criminal element guessing as to who might be armed. They can't just stake out the casino to see who has a gun before they heist the patrons.

    Plus, with OC, any nutcase can sneak up behind you in the grocery store and have his hand on your gun before you do.

    I can see it now....3 or more sets of laws that can apply to the individual, depending on where the gun is - CC, OC, or in the car.
    i.e. "Joe is mentally unstable so he can't conceal it, but he can OC it."
    or "Sue was convicted of a Class A misdemeanor 4 years ago and can't conceal it, but can carry it in her car or OC it."
    or the protective/restraining order guy, or the chemical dependency guy, or the domestic abuse guy, etc.

    This makes no sense. If the state declares that someone shouldn't be running around with a gun, then whether it's concealed or not shouldn't be a factor. Does it really matter that much that we're able to SEE that drunk and deranged Derrick has a gun on his waist, as if we're going to follow him around everywhere and keep an eye on him? Where's the consistency? Is this another example of laws made complicated to keep the emotionally needy politicians feeling important and their fellow lawyers gainfully employed?

    I'm not against OC. I don't understand the soon-to-be discrimination against CC people when my OC neighbor doesn't have to do or pay squat. Then neither should I.

    Note: These questions are not about CHL reciprocity in other states. And if you're not going to answer them, you might as well save your finger energy for the practice range. (or a different post).
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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by whyaskwhy View Post
    Why would we still have to pay fees and jump through all the required hoops to conceal the same weapon that can be worn open by anyone?

    What will the individual legal requirements be to OC a handgun? Anyone who can fog up a mirror?

    Personally, I'd rather conceal it. That keeps the criminal element guessing as to who might be armed. They can't just stake out the casino to see who has a gun before they heist the patrons.

    Plus, with OC, any nutcase can walk up behind you in the grocery store and have his hand on your gun before you do.

    I can see it now....3 or more sets of laws that can apply to the individual, depending on where the gun is - CC, OC, or in the car.
    i.e. "Joe is mentally unstable so he can't conceal it, but he can OC it."
    or "Sue was convicted of a Class A misdemeanor 4 years ago and can't conceal it, but can carry it in her car or OC it."

    This makes no sense. If a nut or a convicted criminal shouldn't be running around with a gun, then they shouldn't be. Where's the consistency? Is this another example of laws made complicated to keep the politicians feeling important and their fellow lawyers gainfully employed?

    Note: These questions are not about CHL reciprocity in other states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
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    Well,,,

    1st, the money is called P4P,,, pay for privilege... the state makes money to sell you a CPL...
    free states,, like mine allow OC to all, and cops cant stop an OCer just to check ID etc.
    closed states that require a permit to OC, might allow cops to stop anyone with
    an open carried gun to make sure they have a permit,
    although many courts would say they cant do that.

    If Texas gets an OC law,,, it may be to allow OC,,, BUT only with a carry permit,,,
    that way the state keeps getting its money for selling a permit
    for the privilege to exercise the 2nd amendment right!

    We here at OCDO wear our gun out in the open to ward off bad guys before they try anything.
    This open carry action has proved over and over again to stop crime before it even starts.
    We here at OCDO have NEVER seen proof that a bad guy EVER snuck up from behind and taken a gun!!!
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    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    If this constitutional carry bill passes you will not need a license to carry concealed, openly, or in your car, and any qualifications or restrictions will be the same across all carry methods.*

    The CHL will still be available if you want one.

    *I'm assuming this bill is similar to hb195. It is supposed to contain some additional good changes that hb195 doesn't contain as well.
    Last edited by stealthyeliminator; 01-18-2015 at 09:14 AM.
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    In light of potentially good things happening in Texas, I would like to put out there the question of::
    -How to prepare the ground w my local merchants on
    1) what is OC
    2) how to react when customers w guns start walking through your doors
    3) preemptively head off - legal and liability fallacies Anti-gunners will try to pull to restrict OC and 2A gun rights,
    4) come up w examples of how things are done in current OC states,
    5) spell out $$ can be lost by using Gunbuster signs
    and 6) coming up w Pro-OC signs and p'haps mixing in Texas bragadociousness into signage - tastefully done of course


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