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    H.R.402 - To amend title 18

    H.R.402 - To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...house-bill/402
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    As of 01/18/2015 text has not been received for H.R.402 - To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...l/402/all-info
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    National carry or national forced resciprocity scares the snot out of me.

    It's bad enough that each of the 57 states makes their own rules that do not play very nicely with the rules of all the other states. But at least one state cannot completely wipe out the way some other state does things. Put it under the feds and not only will there be a bureauracracy erected to operate/enforce the program but the whim of one set of idiots (as opposed to needing the whims of all the sets of idiots) can bring about unintended (but perfectly forseeable) consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    National carry or national forced resciprocity scares the snot out of me.

    It's bad enough that each of the 57 states makes their own rules that do not play very nicely with the rules of all the other states. But at least one state cannot completely wipe out the way some other state does things. Put it under the feds and not only will there be a bureauracracy erected to operate/enforce the program but the whim of one set of idiots (as opposed to needing the whims of all the sets of idiots) can bring about unintended (but perfectly forseeable) consequences.

    Thanks, but no thanks.

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    Exactly. The only fed legislation Id be comfortable with is a bill that repeals other legislation.

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    If national reciprocity is passed, will Congress amend the 1000' school zone law? If the school zone law is not amended reciprocity is a mute point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    If national reciprocity is passed, will Congress amend the 1000' school zone law? If the school zone law is not amended reciprocity is a mute point.
    I'm not sure it will remain quiet, but it certainly will be irrelvant.

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    I am not in favor of a national privilege law that may eventually outlaw federally constitutional carry.
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    Too bad the system is so inept and corrupt because the scotus could easily recognize national unlicensed open carry as the law of the land subject to the "sensitive" places restrictions set forth in Heller. For those who know the history of the 2nd Amendment you know that it does not apply to concealed carry (which is stupid, but that's the legal precedent) and that the right is to openly carry a firearm. This is admitted in many cases, as recently as 2013 in the Colorado post office case.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    I'm not sure it will remain quiet, but it certainly will be irrelvant.

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    My bad, LOL, "moot" not mute and I know better which just makes it worse, that will teach me to post when I am in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Too bad the system is so inept and corrupt because the scotus could easily recognize national unlicensed open carry as the law of the land subject to the "sensitive" places restrictions set forth in Heller. For those who know the history of the 2nd Amendment you know that it does not apply to concealed carry (which is stupid, but that's the legal precedent) and that the right is to openly carry a firearm. This is admitted in many cases, as recently as 2013 in the Colorado post office case.
    It doesn't apply to open carry, either. The fact that it does not stipulate either mode of carry means that both modes are to be protect as an inherent civil right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    It doesn't apply to open carry, either. The fact that it does not stipulate either mode of carry means that both modes are to be protect as an inherent civil right.
    Well, that's what I think. But that's definitely not what the courts have said in this country.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Well, that's what I think. But that's definitely not what the courts have said in this country.
    Given the judicial track record of batting way less than 1.000, with countless overturns over the years, my faith in any given court, including the Supreme Court, to properly decide "the supreme Law of the Land" is precisely SQUAT.

    "Shall not be infringed" means precisely what it says. Yes, it really is that simple. The courts have gotten it wrong since about the time the ink dried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Well, that's what I think. But that's definitely not what the courts have said in this country.
    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Given the judicial track record of batting way less than 1.000, with countless overturns over the years, my faith in any given court, including the Supreme Court, to properly decide "the supreme Law of the Land" is precisely SQUAT.

    "Shall not be infringed" means precisely what it says. Yes, it really is that simple. The courts have gotten it wrong since about the time the ink dried.
    Simply put, the courts are wrong.
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