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    OK cops illegally enter home and get shot up - no charges against homeowner (yet)

    http://bearingarms.com/oklahoma-poli...&newsletterad=

    Officers entered the home and cleared the first room. But as they entered the second room, a man identified as Dallas Horton shot Chief Ross three times, twice in his bullet proof vest and once in the arm. OSBI said the chief actually borrowed the bullet proof vest from one of the deputies just before entering the home.

    After firing numerous shots, Horton surrendered himself to the officers.



    OK, someone enters my house? I'm not the one who will be surrendering.

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    Hint to cops:

    KNOCK. Wait for response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Hint to cops:

    KNOCK. Wait for response.
    Nope...it's more basic than that, raid the correct house.
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    Or stop raiding, and follow due process.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Or stop raiding, and follow due process.
    you know that ain't gunna happen. No raids, no justification to have all that army gear.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Just because the SCOTUS no-knock warrants are OK doesn't mean cops should do it.

    What Exigent Circumstances existed?

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    I kinda been keeping and eye on this. It appears that the homeowner (Dallas Horton) got SWATted. The SWATter (James Holly) was arrested yesterday. http://www.news9.com/story/27897279/...el-bomb-threat

    I think they should charge the SWATter with attempted murder, since it almost led to someone being killed. Thats just my 2 cents...

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    I think they should charge the SWATter with attempted murder, since it almost led to someone being killed. Thats just my 2 cents...
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    That sounds absolutely appropriate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by glock22oc View Post
    I think they should charge the SWATter with attempted murder, since it almost led to someone being killed. Thats just my 2 cents...
    Motion seconded, well... thirded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepdiver View Post
    +1
    That sounds absolutely appropriate!
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    Motion seconded, well... thirded.
    All in favor say Aye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    OK, someone enters my house? I'm not the one who will be surrendering.
    He is alive, and free. Beats the hell out of being macho and dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    He is alive, and free. Beats the hell out of being macho and dead.
    Or stupid and dead. [emoji14]
    "The wicked flee when no man persueth: but the righteous are as bold as a lion" Proverbs 28:1

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    In addition...

    Since they showed video of the police removing ALL his firearms from the home, not just the one he used, I would like to know if they have given him BACK all of his property and apologized. Finally, did they have a WARRANT, of any kind, when they broke in? All I hear is that they "Traced" the bomb threat to him, and went to home after verifying the school clear; no mention of getting a warrant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Hint to cops:

    KNOCK. Wait for response.
    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Nope...it's more basic than that, raid the correct house.
    Why not both?

    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    He is alive, and free. Beats the hell out of being macho and dead.
    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Or stupid and dead. [emoji14]
    Why not both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Or stupid and dead. [emoji14]
    Live free or die !

    I think one state even uses it as its state motto .... hardly a macho thing ... a freedom thing, and that's a good thing.



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    The first line of defense is your doors. The problem is a poor weak door design and security issue. The problem is illustrated in this video where a door is simply kicked in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhscToHlWNM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    The first line of defense is your doors. The problem is a poor weak door design and security issue. The problem is illustrated in this video where a door is simply kicked in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhscToHlWNM
    I prefer cardboard doors:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Kf4dQViDE


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    Electrified flooring is best ... does not matter about the door....

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    Aye!

    Absolutely ridiculous that this type of "mistake" keeps happening.

    If these leo's can't get an address correct, they are not competent enough to wear a badge or be in any position of trust.

    Attempted Murder. Reckless Endangerment, False Imprisonment, Trespassing, Double Parking....etc.....etc......etc...... Throw the book at them, make them pay in their personal capacity.....

    Aye! Aye! Aye!

    Until they are held accountable, this will keep happening.

    http://www.news9.com/story/27873087/...about-shooting
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Electrified flooring is best ... does not matter about the door....
    Or, a trap door that would open as the intruders attempt to breach, that sends them down into an inferno............
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereigntyOrDeath View Post
    Aye!

    Absolutely ridiculous that this type of "mistake" keeps happening.

    If these leo's can't get an address correct, they are not competent enough to wear a badge or be in any position of trust.

    Attempted Murder. Reckless Endangerment, False Imprisonment, Trespassing, Double Parking....etc.....etc......etc...... Throw the book at them, make them pay in their personal capacity.....

    Aye! Aye! Aye!

    Until they are held accountable, this will keep happening.
    Double parking??? Wow you are truly evil. Remind me not to get on your bad side....[emoji8]
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Why not both? ...
    Cuz cops are not gunna knock if they can get away with it....heck, even if they think they may not get away with it they'll likely do it anyway and takes their chances. Given this truth, hitting the correct house is a good starting point. After they have demonstrated that they don't get house numbers all messed up (can read) then we can move on to knocking first.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by glock22oc View Post
    I kinda been keeping and eye on this. It appears that the homeowner (Dallas Horton) got SWATted. The SWATter (James Holly) was arrested yesterday. http://www.news9.com/story/27897279/...el-bomb-threat

    I think they should charge the SWATter with attempted murder, since it almost led to someone being killed. Thats just my 2 cents...
    http://www.news9.com/story/27886291/...-investigation
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    TV newsman never talks about -was warrant issued? Was violation of 4A by Police chief? Shows deputies carrying out rifles, guys wandering around his house, taking pictures - all in violation of 4A. Hope Horton gets a good lawyer to get damages for police ignorance of personal property rights. 2nd TV report has chief saying Things don't add up and still suspects Horton, tells reporter he hasn't talked to state police, and then says he can't talk more because issue under investigation... Sounds like chief is hiding behind his pooch-screw.


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    I'm surprised Horton and his wife did not get ventilated.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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