sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
So long as "the State" is guided more or less by majority desires of voters, our public conduct and how voters perceive it is never irrelevant.
Relevant to your point not mine.
Often the majority of voters don't even show up and things pass.
If we do not condemn bad conduct from those who claim to be within our ranks, then it is our own fault if the public and the public's democratically elected officials believe that such persons and their conduct actually represent the rest of us. If the choice is between permitting dangerous, provocative, disruptive conduct with firearms, or to ban all guns, I can't blame legislators for banning all guns. At least not unless I've made clear the false dichotomy and offer the proper, third course which is to ban dangerous, disruptive, provocative conduct (and impose proper penalties for same), while respecting the real right to carry a gun for self defense. NOT some supposed right to carry a gun to intimidate or disrupt, but the real right to carry a gun for self defense.
I don't view that guy who did those things as one of me. If you read my posts on this topic. I don't think much of the guy.
The real culprit is the state who infringes.
The state does not represent me or even the majority of people who reside there.
Yes, I know, legislators swear and oath to uphold the constitution. They are neither experts in the constitution nor in guns just like most here are not necessarily experts in Western Water Right law theory, or estate law, or two dozen other areas of law. It is the responsibility of law abiding gun owners to speak out against criminal, negligent, and just plain stupid misuse of guns just as moderate (or perhaps "real") Muslims need to speak out against terrorism, and the way real journalists speak out against the violation of rights by paparazzi or child pornographers.
I have no responsibility to speak out about the bad actions of others. Muslims/Christians and others have no responsibility to speak out against bad members who don't represent the majority. There is no responsibility to assuage the tyranny of bigots.
Sorry, but in the real world, sometimes theory gives way to practice. Either responsible gun owners speak out, or else the criminals and morons set our image for us. And that means sometimes we have to condemn those who claim to be own. We have to be careful to avoid eating our own over minor disagreements. But when conduct crosses certain lines, we have to condemn our own. It would be far better instead, to privately educate our own and persuade them against certain conduct before they commit it. But some are highly sensitive to any suggestion that we should care at all about public opinion.
So do you judge people who are not the same ethnic background as yourself as all bad if a few of them do something wrong?
I have stated for years our own worst enemy is other gun owners. Especially those who are so willing to compromise away liberty in the fear of loosing them all, often after stupid acts of an individual.
Education is key, but education needs to even stronger upon those are quick to act out on their prejudices.