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    Public Officials who resist transparency.

    I received an email from Andrew Logerwell (House Counsel, Washington State House of Representatives) regarding a Freedom of Information/Public Disclosure request I filed. The request was regarding the video footage, captured by the cameras at the Washington State Capital, House of Representatives Chamber, January 15th, 2015, during an open carry rally. Mr. Logerwell advised me to call him for some reason. I did so, but informed him I was recording the call, pursuant to Revised Code of Washington. Mr. Logerwell told me he did not want to be recorded and advised me to call back when I was not recording. I informed him that I needed to record such calls and could not do that. He hung up on me. LOL.
    I guess certain government officials do not want to be held accountable or transparent to the public who pays their salaries. Now I am curious if my Freedom of Information/Public Disclosure request will be honored, as stated in state law.
    Mr. Logerwell's official email is: Andrew.Logerwell@leg.wa.gov
    Mr. Logerwell's official number he told me to contact him at is: (360) 786-7767

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    RCW 42.56.030 Construction.

    The people of this state do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies that serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may maintain control over the instruments that they have created. This chapter shall be liberally construed and its exemptions narrowly construed to promote this public policy and to assure that the public interest will be fully protected. In the event of conflict between the provisions of this chapter and any other act, the provisions of this chapter shall govern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueReflections View Post
    I received an email from Andrew Logerwell (House Counsel, Washington State House of Representatives) regarding a Freedom of Information/Public Disclosure request I filed. The request was regarding the video footage, captured by the cameras at the Washington State Capital, House of Representatives Chamber, January 15th, 2015, during an open carry rally. Mr. Logerwell advised me to call him for some reason. I did so, but informed him I was recording the call, pursuant to Revised Code of Washington. Mr. Logerwell told me he did not want to be recorded and advised me to call back when I was not recording. I informed him that I needed to record such calls and could not do that. He hung up on me. LOL.
    I guess certain government officials do not want to be held accountable or transparent to the public who pays their salaries. Now I am curious if my Freedom of Information/Public Disclosure request will be honored, as stated in state law.
    Mr. Logerwell's official email is: Andrew.Logerwell@leg.wa.gov
    Mr. Logerwell's official number he told me to contact him at is: (360) 786-7767

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    I see no problem with the objection to being recorded.

    Want to investigate the guy further? Ask for his/his aide(s) outlook/gmail/etc calendars for the past 2 years and emails (just ask for emails with the word "meet" in them/title of email).

    then see all the secret meetings that he and others had. your head will explode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I see no problem with the objection to being recorded.

    Want to investigate the guy further? Ask for his/his aide(s) outlook/gmail/etc calendars for the past 2 years and emails (just ask for emails with the word "meet" in them/title of email).

    then see all the secret meetings that he and others had. your head will explode.

    Hmm, could you ask for all emails with "Re:" in the title?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Hmm, could you ask for all emails with "Re:" in the title?
    "meet" .... in title ... or body ... limit it to the time in session for one session (you may get thousands of emails!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    "meet" .... in title ... or body ... limit it to the time in session for one session (you may get thousands of emails!)
    "Re:" would yield every response he made to someone, or any response someone made to him.

    Hard to go wider than that, if it counted as a word.
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    Regarding my requst.

    My request was pretty simple. I simply wanted the footage from the House of Reps. I was at the OC rally that day, but missed what happened in the chamber. It is public property and I requested it. I was told to make a call, which is not part of the public disclosure process. I made the call, but said I was recording, and was subsequently shut down. Public records requests are written as an easy process, until one tries requesting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueReflections View Post
    ...... Mr. Logerwell told me he did not want to be recorded and advised me to call back when I was not recording. I informed him that I needed to record such calls and could not do that. He hung up on me. LOL.
    I guess certain government officials do not want to be held accountable or transparent to the public who pays their salaries. Now I am curious if my Freedom of Information/Public Disclosure request will be honored, as stated in state law.
    Mr. Logerwell's official email is: Andrew.Logerwell@leg.wa.gov
    Mr. Logerwell's official number he told me to contact him at is: (360) 786-7767
    No worries. Now ask for a public meeting and a bunch of us can show up. He may not want to be recorded, but he still has to do his bloody job.
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    [QUOTE=RogueReflections;2123309] Mr. Logerwell advised me to call him for some reason. I did so, but informed him I was recording the call, pursuant to Revised Code of Washington. Mr. Logerwell told me he did not want to be recorded and advised me to call back when I was not recording.

    I am not sure Mr. Logerwell has the option of objecting to your recording him when he is acting in an official capacity. The city street worker ceartainly does not, Cops do not, nor does the Mayor or any other government official.

    Flame away, LOL
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    [QUOTE=Jeff Hayes;2123509]
    Quote Originally Posted by RogueReflections View Post
    Mr. Logerwell advised me to call him for some reason. I did so, but informed him I was recording the call, pursuant to Revised Code of Washington. Mr. Logerwell told me he did not want to be recorded and advised me to call back when I was not recording.

    I am not sure Mr. Logerwell has the option of objecting to your recording him when he is acting in an official capacity. The city street worker ceartainly does not, Cops do not, nor does the Mayor or any other government official.

    Flame away, LOL
    Ask for a meeting .. then you avoid telephonic taping laws.

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    Asking for a meeting..

    Asking for a meeting is a good idea and I see the value in it. I really don't want to drive all the way back to Olympia for a simple records request to be emailed to me. I was already there and Alden Morris and I asked, in person, at the correct office. We were told to email instead. I emailed, as was asked to call. I called and was told I could not record. This is a dance that the government is trying to do. I will be producing the final video soon.

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    No one said record requesting was easy.

    here's part of a recent reply to a few requests I made that I got no response to, and I noted to them recently that I considered the non-answers to be = to tampering with evidence...then they start agreeing to cough up records...to avoid arrest.


    In my state, discovery and FOIA are separate and both can produce evidence. I don't need to play the discovery game. Because I will take action upon tampering...conspiracy to tamper is a civil cause of action...so its a great place to pound officials on.

    Of course, the email part pictured here is game playing as I filed two distinctly different requests...now they claim stupidity.

    Oh,in CT you can file a request to inspect records via voice mail, directly to a person, via email, letter, almost anything. So if one does not want to listen to a person say "you gotta do this, you gotta do that" -- just leave the person/agency a voice mail.
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    Request Denied

    My request was denied for "security" purposes.
    I will be producing a video on this fiasco shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueReflections View Post
    My request was denied for "security" purposes.
    I will be producing a video on this fiasco shortly.
    Security Exception RCW 42.56.420: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=42.56.420

    Review process RCW 42.56.530: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=42.56.530

    Quote Originally Posted by RCW 42.56.530
    Whenever a state agency concludes that a public record is exempt from disclosure and denies a person opportunity to inspect or copy a public record for that reason, the person may request the attorney general to review the matter. The attorney general shall provide the person with his or her written opinion on whether the record is exempt.

    Nothing in this section shall be deemed to establish an attorney-client relationship between the attorney general and a person making a request under this section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueReflections View Post
    My request was denied for "security" purposes.
    I will be producing a video on this fiasco shortly.
    They claiming that providing it would disclose the location of cameras?

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=42.56.420

    I don't see it ... being an exempted record under "security"

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=42.56.550

    Free to file an admin complaint -- a de novo complaint... I would not bother with the AG's office


    Hey, they answered you pretty quick .. 1 good thing.

    I really do not see the house chambers video being exempt
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueReflections View Post
    My request was denied for "security" purposes.
    I will be producing a video on this fiasco shortly.
    Wow, sounds like you all have bigger problems in Washington than just anti-gun politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Hard to go wider than that, if it counted as a word.
    Nah, it's easy. Request any email with a header containing the word "Subject" or "Message-ID".
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    Just a note for OP: they likely denied you access, where the statue of limitiations start, on the day after you filed your request. So that's when the clocks starts ticking for your date needed to file any appeal.

    So if you filed on 10 JAN 15 (for example) the 11th is the first day of denial and the clock has begun ticking.

    You can always simply re-request the same records and re-start the clock.

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