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    Florida House committee approves bill to allow guns at college

    Republican State Rep. Greg Steube, who filed the bill, said the measure would make campuses safer by allowing gun owners to intervene in shooting situations. The lawmaker said he doesn’t think that law-abiding citizens who successfully obtain their firearms licenses should be stripped of their constitutional rights simply because they walked from a shopping plaza across the street to a college campus.
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    Two other House committees must approve the measure before it moves forward. If passed, it will take effect on July 1 and make Florida the eighth state to allow guns on campuses, joining Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, and Wisconsin.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/florida-h...w-guns-college

    HB 4005
    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...x?BillId=53085

    Identical SB 176
    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...?BillId=53094&
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    The first senate committee hurdle was passed. The FSA is also supporting permitless CC during emergencies. The meeting packet and video is here:

    https://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/Show/CJ/

    In case you were starting to think that being anti gun is intellectual laziness instead of mental illness, just watch the video. Laugh and cry.
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    NRA asking us to email 2nd Committee

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...rs-immediately


    Bloomberg's Astroturf groups are trying to stop it.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    What I hate about the folks opposed to concealed carry on campus is that they stereotype the average college kid as a pot smoking hipster or a drunken frat boy. The reality is that concealed carry would only affect those over 21 (except military vets, 18). Most 21 year olds are in their Junior or Senior year and are busy with higher level classes, getting internships, and preparing for life outside college. There is also a large segment of "adult" students to include returning veterans, students working on Master's/Ph D, older folks working on certifications, etc that do not fit the "frat boy" stereotype.

    So a student htat lives off campus can own and carry guns....but is a threat once they step foot on campus?

    -JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc79 View Post
    What I hate about the folks opposed to concealed carry on campus is that they stereotype the average college kid as a pot smoking hipster or a drunken frat boy. The reality is that concealed carry would only affect those over 21 (except military vets, 18). Most 21 year olds are in their Junior or Senior year and are busy with higher level classes, getting internships, and preparing for life outside college. There is also a large segment of "adult" students to include returning veterans, students working on Master's/Ph D, older folks working on certifications, etc that do not fit the "frat boy" stereotype.

    So a student htat lives off campus can own and carry guns....but is a threat once they step foot on campus?

    -JC
    There is no rhyme or reason to an anti's hatred of individual rights. The only reason this was derailed in 2011 was because a key senator stopped it in committee. A donor's daughter was shot and killed (off campus) with a rifle by an underrage drunk. Never mind that drugs and alcohol are illegal on campus, you have to be 21 with a permt, and you have to be carrying a concealed handgun. I'm surprised the father isn't back again, waving his dead daughter's bloody shirt. It was disgusting to watch him dishonor her like that.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    It's being rumored that this bill will die in the House "higher education" committee if there is a poor pro turnout at the Senate "higher education" committee. If you're a student or not and within a 2 hour drive you should go to the meeting. If you won't go don't complain when it fails. Most of these things are decided before the actual hearing but this may be an exception. Monday 3/16 2pm in Tallahassee. Room location and building is in the link.

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/S...ingNotice/2922
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Best of luck Florida.

    You can always point to Utah with our 8 years of on campus carry being legally recognized and enforced. Students cannot be denied on-campus housing because they have a legal gun, nor can they be expelled nor otherwise punished for having a legal gun at any taxpayer funded college here. Faculty, staff, and other employees also cannot be fired or disciplined for having a legal gun on campus.

    ZERO problems in almost a full decade.

    The most likely scenario for needing a gun on campus is not to intervene in some mass shooting, but for self defense against run-o'-the-mill crimes: A lone woman walking across an empty parking lot late at night; a lab tech working alone; defending against a stalker breaking into a dorm room.

    You guys lead the way on shall issue permits. Thank you for that. I hope you can force the taxpayer funded colleges to respect your legal ability to defend yourself.

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    The Senate "higher" education committee approved the bill today and I attended. The student representing our side was a lady and did very well. Anti gunners were out in force with their very bizarre "logic". They are without doubt mentally unstable. Armed and quite portly heroes of lawwwrrr enforcement were also there on the tax payor dime advocating for victim disarmament. I heard Ms Hammer discussing ethics violations against them for this.
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    The House "higher" education committee approved the bill 11-2. Today lawwwrrrr enforcement said non cops aren't trained enough to not hit innocent people, kind of like the NYPD. They also said, and this one surprised me because I thought it had died, officers "wouldn't be able to tell who the good and bad guys were". There were other anti's there but with no shiny uniforms to give a veil of respectability to their vicariously embarrassing claptrap.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    The House "higher" education committee approved the bill 11-2. Today lawwwrrrr enforcement said non cops aren't trained enough to not hit innocent people
    Even if that were true, what does it have to do with carrying on campus? Do college campuses have a unique ability to prevent accurate fire?
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    They also said, and this one surprised me because I thought it had died, officers "wouldn't be able to tell who the good and bad guys were".
    Since this is a campus carry bill and not an open carry bill, how would the cops even know who had weapons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    Even if that were true, what does it have to do with carrying on campus? Do college campuses have a unique ability to prevent accurate fire?

    Since this is a campus carry bill and not an open carry bill, how would the cops even know who had weapons?
    You're not supposed to think about it. Just act out of ignorant emotion. I have to say, and this is not being slanderous and grapeshot will still get upset, but these particular police chiefs who testified were not very smart. It's also disturbing to me how little they thought their remarks out and how silly they sounded. It was so bad 2/4 Democrats were even convinced to vote for it. One of the democrats even said that she used a gun to defend herself from an attacker when she was in college!
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Email from Florida Carry/NRA regarding police chiefs misusing funds on campus carry

    DATE: March 19, 2015
    TO: USF & NRA Members and Friends
    FROM: Marion P. Hammer
    USF Executive Director
    NRA Past President

    State University Campus Police are using your tax dollars to lobby against the Second Amendment rights of Florida citizens.

    Senator Minority Leader, Senator Arthenia Joyner (D-Tampa), who opposes SB-176 Campus Carry, by Senator Greg Evers (R-Baker) asked University Police Chiefs to come to Tallahassee for the hearing by the Senate Higher Education Committee on SB-176 on March 16, 2015. Email: joyner.arthenia@flsenate.gov

    In an email to FSU Police Chief David Perry requesting their appearance, Senator Joyner asked that her email be forwarded to university police chiefs and said, "It is my hope that the State University Police Chiefs or their designees will attend the meeting, submit appearance cards, and speak to the committee members..."

    Chief Perry then put out the call to come to Tallahassee and ten (10) showed up to lobby against your constitutional rights.

    Chief Perry subsequently informed them that they DID NOT have to take leave (vacation days) to participate. Consequently they were in Tallahassee while on the payroll, instead of on campus providing security for students.

    Further, in an email (forwarded to us from a third party) Rickey Maxey, the lobbyist for Florida Polytechnic University, also said that the money for the trip could come from their campus police budgets.

    You, the taxpayers, are picking up the financial tab for these Chiefs to lobby against your constitutional rights – rights they are sworn to protect.

    The following Chiefs came to the committee meeting in full uniform, with THEIR GUNS on their hips, to lobby against your Second Amendment rights:

    Chief J. D. Withrow, University of South Florida, Tampa
    Chief Linda Stump-Kurnick, University of Florida Police Chief , Gainesville
    Chief Terence Calloway, Florida A & M University, Tallahassee
    Chief Charles Lowe, Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
    Chief Frank Mackesy, University of North Florida, Jacksonville
    Chief David Hendry, University of South Florida, St. Petersburg
    Deputy Chief Darren Baxley, University of Florida, Gainesville
    Chief William Hope, Florida Polytechnic University, Lakeland
    Deputy Chief Jim Russell, Florida State University, Tallahassee
    Chief David Perry, Florida State University, Tallahassee

    All of these Chiefs filled out Appearance Cards and said, in writing, that they are AGAINST SB-176. That clearly is lobbying – they were there to influence the votes of legislators.

    If they had been here just to provide information on their perception of the impact of the bill on their respective agencies, they would have checked the box indicating that they were there to provide INFORMATION only.

    Representative Dave Kerner (D-Palm Springs), subsequently, copied Senator Joyner's letter and used it to ask University Police Chiefs to come to Tallahassee again on Wednesday, March 18, 2015, for the House Higher Education Committee meeting.

    Two separate requests for University Police Chiefs to come to Tallahassee on two different days to speak to two different committees – clearly to lobby against your constitutional right of self-defense and your Second Amendment rights -- at taxpayer expense. That is wrong.

    If you want to be heard on this issue, you may contact the Governor, Senate President, House Speaker and let them know how you feel about state funds -- your tax dollars -- being used to lobby against your constitutional rights.

    In the subject line put: STOP USE OF TAXES - STATE FUNDS - FOR LOBBYING

    (Block and Copy All email addresses into the "Send To" box)

    rick.scott@eog.myflorida.com,
    gardiner.andy@flsenate.gov,
    steve.crisafulli@myfloridahouse.gov


    These are the leaders who can stop this misuse of your tax dollars.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post

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    rick.scott@eog.myflorida.com,
    gardiner.andy@flsenate.gov,
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    These are the leaders who can stop this misuse of your tax dollars.
    Done, as we type.

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    Same old, Same old in the Fl Senate

    From Florida Carry: "The Judiciary Committee Chair, Senator Miguel Diaz de la Portilla refuses to calendar the campus carry bill.

    The college campus carry bill, SB 176, is now stalled in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The committee is under bombardment by Bloomberg's gun control groups generated propaganda including a new television ad, and the chair, Senator Miguel Diaz de la Portilla, Has not yet to put the bill on the committee calendar.

    Its House companion bill, HB 4005, has completed all of its committee stops, having been reported favorably at each one with bipartisan support, and now awaits SB 176.

    Senate President, Andy Gardiner, also refuses to see to it that the two remaining committee chairmen calendar the bill despite its companion bill's overwhelming success in the House.


    This is intolerable!!!

    Through his resistance to calendar SB 176, Sen. Diaz de la Portilla is ignoring the success of the House companion bill for his own personal reasons, and denying the bill its deserved consideration by the remaining Senate committees. This is an intentional attempt at running out the clock, so fellow Senators are not put in the position of having to vote yea or nay on the right to bear arms on campus.

    In this way, they can claim support for self defense by honestly saying they've never voted against a pro-gun bill.

    It's easy to say that when one doesn't have to vote at all!

    Friends, we need to melt down the email servers and phone lines of the Senate President, the Chairmen of the final two Senate committees, and the committee members themselves.

    If we don't do this, campus carry dies here and now. There simply isn't time for the House bill to make it all the way through the Senate committees, and it will see the same resistance as SB 176.

    Remember that whether you contact the committee members either by email or by phone, to be courteous and respectful above all else. Be sure to keep your message brief, and thank them for their time.

    In the subject line put: Calendar SB 176 Immediately!

    (Block and Copy All email addresses into the "Send To" box)

    gardiner.andy.web@flsenate.gov;
    portilla.miguel.web@flsenate.gov;
    simmons.david.web@flsenate.gov;


    Sample Body:

    Dear Senator,

    The fact that SB 176 has not been placed on the calendar of the Senate Judiciary Committee is unacceptable. This bill is opposed by big money from out of state, but we Floridians are the ones who will live under the law. Its companion bill in the House has been reported favorably by all assigned committees and is now awaiting action by the Senate.

    The failure to calendar the bill appears to be a hollow attempt at protecting Senators from having to go on record with a position on the bill. That one Senator has the ability to run out the clock on an timely and important bill, with similar bills being heard in a dozen other states, is completely unacceptable.

    This is about licensed adults, responsibly protecting themselves on campus, just as they do off campus, and over a quarter century of statistics from the Licensing Department of DOACS as proof.

    Calendar SB 176 NOW!. "


    Next Year, Open carry will have to go through these committees too.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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