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    Wink interesting news for "love it or leave it!" big government conservatives

    "The cost of getting rid of US citizenship has quadrupled to $2350, up from $450. The changes will come into effect on September 6th and the State Department says it is necessary to cover the real cost of processing an application to lose citizenship."

    http://rt.com/usa/183972-fee-renounce-us-citizenship/

    So stop saying that we can leave at the drop of a hat, fools (nevermind the immorality of a small ruling class claiming personal ownership of > 3 million square miles and grossly infringing on the rights of people who own property in that territory).

    No one owns me. I don't want to leave my property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by state hater View Post
    "The cost of getting rid of US citizenship has quadrupled to $2350, up from $450. The changes will come into effect on September 6th and the State Department says it is necessary to cover the real cost of processing an application to lose citizenship."

    http://rt.com/usa/183972-fee-renounce-us-citizenship/

    So stop saying that we can leave at the drop of a hat, fools (nevermind the immorality of a small ruling class claiming personal ownership of > 3 million square miles and grossly infringing on the rights of people who own property in that territory).

    No one owns me. I don't want to leave my property.
    2015 should be the year ALL American's STOP paying taxes, and in 2016 vote for those who agree with the peoples actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by state hater View Post
    "The cost of getting rid of US citizenship has quadrupled to $2350, up from $450. The changes will come into effect on September 6th and the State Department says it is necessary to cover the real cost of processing an application to lose citizenship."

    http://rt.com/usa/183972-fee-renounce-us-citizenship/

    So stop saying that we can leave at the drop of a hat, fools (nevermind the immorality of a small ruling class claiming personal ownership of > 3 million square miles and grossly infringing on the rights of people who own property in that territory).

    No one owns me. I don't want to leave my property.
    So if you walked into Mexico they'd charge you that? His about if you walked into Canada? Or maybe took a flight to Afghanistan and just never cane back. His would they find you? Do they send a tax guy to the Congo if you decide to live there?

    Hmmmm.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    So if you walked into Mexico they'd charge you that? His about if you walked into Canada? Or maybe took a flight to Afghanistan and just never cane back. His would they find you? Do they send a tax guy to the Congo if you decide to live there?

    Hmmmm.....
    We have extradition treaties with all the above countries. IRS still demands taxes on money earned outside the US, and it would be crime to not pay those taxes. Yes if you earn any decent amount of money they will find you.
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    Makes no sense to pay to renounce.

    Just cancel all contracts, or not.

    Leave and be done with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    We have extradition treaties with all the above countries. IRS still demands taxes on money earned outside the US, and it would be crime to not pay those taxes. Yes if you earn any decent amount of money they will find you.
    Do you have a cite or example of a case? Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereigntyOrDeath View Post
    Makes no sense to pay to renounce.

    Just cancel all contracts, or not.

    Leave and be done with it.
    Bingo.

    Stop making sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    So if you walked into Mexico they'd charge you that? His about if you walked into Canada? Or maybe took a flight to Afghanistan and just never cane back. His would they find you? Do they send a tax guy to the Congo if you decide to live there?

    Hmmmm.....
    Mexico would work. Just need to bribe the right "officials" for a birth certificate, ID, passport. You could get a whole new identity.........
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    26 U.S. Code 877 - Expatriation to avoid tax

    26 U.S. Code 877 - Expatriation to avoid tax

    (a) Treatment of expatriates
    (1) In general
    Every nonresident alien individual to whom this section applies and who, within the 10-year period immediately preceding the close of the taxable year, lost United States citizenship shall be taxable for such taxable year in the manner provided in subsection (b) if the tax imposed pursuant to such subsection (after any reduction in such tax under the last sentence of such subsection) exceeds the tax which, without regard to this section, is imposed pursuant to section 871.
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    Instructions for Form 8854 Initial and Annual Expatriation Statement

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8854.pdf

    Instructions for Form 8854
    Initial and Annual Expatriation Statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Do you have a cite or example of a case? Thanks in advance.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ition_treaties

    For someone who claims to be a cop, you do not have a very good grasp of the law, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ition_treaties

    For someone who claims to be a cop, you do not have a very good grasp of the law, do you?
    That isn't exacty abnormal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    So if you walked into Mexico they'd charge you that? His about if you walked into Canada? Or maybe took a flight to Afghanistan and just never cane back. His would they find you? Do they send a tax guy to the Congo if you decide to live there?

    Hmmmm.....
    primus, your ignorance knows no bounds. I have a cousin born in Oklahoma to Canadian citizen parents, they moved back to Canada when she was 3. SHe is now in her late 40s being harassed by the IRS in Canada for her entire life's "income" IN CANADA. This is happening all over the globe even to children born in other countries to US citizen parents that never stepped foot in this godforsaken country.

    Here are a couple links, I will provide MANY more if you wish.



    http://www.thenewamerican.com/econom...oreign-tyrants

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle12473920/

    In recent years, the U.S. government has been cracking down on what it sees as American tax cheats – people hiding money in offshore accounts. Things are about to get worse for Americans, accidental or not, who are hoping they can escape the reach of Uncle Sam. As of 2014, a U.S. law – the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act – will require Canadian financial institutions to start red-flagging Americans who have Canadian accounts to the IRS.
    ^^^^^This is happening in every civilized country around the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    primus, your ignorance knows no bounds. [ ... ]
    It is not ignorance, it is rank (means stinking) trollery to make you think you are engaged, it could as well be an 'bot.
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    lmao. a troll has to have food. I just wish everyone had him on ignore to save me from seeing posts quoting him lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    primus, your ignorance knows no bounds. I have a cousin born in Oklahoma to Canadian citizen parents, they moved back to Canada when she was 3. SHe is now in her late 40s being harassed by the IRS in Canada for her entire life's "income" IN CANADA. This is happening all over the globe even to children born in other countries to US citizen parents that never stepped foot in this godforsaken country.

    Here are a couple links, I will provide MANY more if you wish.



    http://www.thenewamerican.com/econom...oreign-tyrants

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle12473920/



    ^^^^^This is happening in every civilized country around the earth.
    Canada was a bad choice. Mexico would be the smart choice:

    Quote Originally Posted by SovereigntyOrDeath View Post
    Mexico would work. Just need to bribe the right "officials" for a birth certificate, ID, passport. You could get a whole new identity.........
    Much easier to disappear or get disappeared there......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    It is not ignorance, it is rank (means stinking) trollery to make you think you are engaged, it could as well be an 'bot.
    He actually believes it.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I have heard "love it or leave it" since I was a teenager and ice covered most of this continent. I, for one, do not care if you come here or were born here and "don't like it". I DO care if you come here, don't like it and try to change it to what you had. That I don't like.

    We like it here and that is why you came here. Don't like what you found? Go home. The Document Rules, not your hurt little feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I have heard "love it or leave it" since I was a teenager and ice covered most of this continent. I, for one, do not care if you come here or were born here and "don't like it". I DO care if you come here, don't like it and try to change it to what you had. That I don't like.

    We like it here and that is why you came here. Don't like what you found? Go home. The Document Rules, not your hurt little feelings.
    I have looked at leaving and going to Canada or New Zealand. The IRS will expect their cut in addition to whatever I pay to the country I immigrate to.


    This nation's citizens COMPLETELY MISSED their opportunity nearly 5 years ago, Joseph Stack should have been a name EVERY American knew and honored. "Suicide" mission aside similar acts should have been mirrored from coast to coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    I have looked at leaving and going to Canada or New Zealand. The IRS will expect their cut in addition to whatever I pay to the country I immigrate to.
    Then it might just pencil for you to pay the fee, renounce, and be free of your burdens. No more IRS, no more Constitution or Bill of Rights.

    No brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereigntyOrDeath View Post
    Then it might just pencil for you to pay the fee, renounce, and be free of your burdens. No more IRS, no more Constitution or Bill of Rights.No brainer.
    Yes, no brainer, That's what I keep telling family moving to Canada or NZ, at least they aren't pretending to be some kind of bastion of freedom and liberty. "no more Constitution or Bill of Rights" rings just as true in the USA as Canada.


    Going to Canada..... as Edmond Dantes said in The Count of Monte Cristo "Smuggling is the life for me". All I have here in the US to protect me and mine WOULD find it's way N. of the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    Yes, no brainer, That's what I keep telling family moving to Canada or NZ, at least they aren't pretending to be some kind of bastion of freedom and liberty. "no more Constitution or Bill of Rights" rings just as true in the USA as Canada.


    Going to Canada..... as Edmond Dantes said in The Count of Monte Cristo "Smuggling is the life for me". All I have here in the US to protect me and mine WOULD find it's way N. of the border.
    Well then, what is stopping you from leaving?

    I am sure the grass will be greener wherever you go.

    And the freedoms true.
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    How about they stop pizzing on the grass here?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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