Primus
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Gotcha. Like I said... Cool
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Public defender arrested for simply representing her client ... cops don't know squat
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SovereigntyOrDeath
Regular Member
I see nothing illegal or any wrong doing done by the Storm Troopers. This is the PRK, (Peoples Republic of Kalifornia) and its not part of the United States anymore. When visiting or living in the PRK, realize that you have no rights, for you are a subject, and at the mercy of the state machine. So welcome to Kali, eyes foward, no talking, and enjoy your stay.
So True! That's why I sought political asylum in Idaho.......
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
Nice thing is that you cannot be required to have a license to accept money for being a legal counsel .
"A person who is legally qualified and licensed to represent a person in a legal matter, such as a transaction or lawsuit."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Legal+counsel
OC for ME
Regular Member
And;
There ya go.
Sure. Go ahead and tell the guild that you can and will open up shop without joining and paying dues.
Makes turning down the offer to pay money to make sure somebody does not come in and beat your kneecaps just before wrecking/burning down your place look like a kiddie party with a pony ride.
A state Attorney General was addressing a conference of folks who dealt with investigating and resolving state prison inmates' complaints about rights violations. Someone asked if there was anything that woud prevent them from advising an inmate to sue for violation of rights, as in "Wouldn't that be practicing law without a license?" The answer was that "practicing law involves the acceptance of something of value (money or goods) in exchange for expressing an opinion about what the law means or how a law might be applied to a specific set of circumstances. Both by policy and law you are prohibited from accepting anything from your client in return or in reward for your service to them."
Other attorneys and a bunch of judges have historically disagreed with his thoughts. And it all boils down to someone not admitted to the guild doing things the guild has announced only guild members can do.
I often remark that there are a lot of lawyers that I admire, and some attorneys too.
But back to the OP issue - being a devious person I can see a good reason for the public defender failing to do everything possible to protect her clients. Sets up a wonderful 6th Amendment appeal that will have to address the character of the behavior of the cops.
stay safe.
Makes turning down the offer to pay money to make sure somebody does not come in and beat your kneecaps just before wrecking/burning down your place look like a kiddie party with a pony ride.
A state Attorney General was addressing a conference of folks who dealt with investigating and resolving state prison inmates' complaints about rights violations. Someone asked if there was anything that woud prevent them from advising an inmate to sue for violation of rights, as in "Wouldn't that be practicing law without a license?" The answer was that "practicing law involves the acceptance of something of value (money or goods) in exchange for expressing an opinion about what the law means or how a law might be applied to a specific set of circumstances. Both by policy and law you are prohibited from accepting anything from your client in return or in reward for your service to them."
Other attorneys and a bunch of judges have historically disagreed with his thoughts. And it all boils down to someone not admitted to the guild doing things the guild has announced only guild members can do.
I often remark that there are a lot of lawyers that I admire, and some attorneys too.
But back to the OP issue - being a devious person I can see a good reason for the public defender failing to do everything possible to protect her clients. Sets up a wonderful 6th Amendment appeal that will have to address the character of the behavior of the cops.
stay safe.
Nothing of value offered, requested or exchanged.
Power of "Attorney" is not dissimilar to pro se - speaking for oneself.
"For one's own behalf; in person. Appearing for oneself, as in the case of one who does not retain a lawyer and appears for himself or herself in court." http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pro+Se
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
No, but I can:
That is to say, in California, the "resisting arrest" statute covers obstruction and other sorts of citizenly behavior.
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Primus
Regular Member
Thanks marshaul. Your a better man then I am working for free like that. [emoji39]
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
So, why does no state even issue such a license and the high court has said that there can be no license?
I got done citing 2 court rulings and then 1 of you cites a common dictionary and the other cannot cite any law issuing a license.
[video=youtube_share;EOs4cDlcBkY]http://youtu.be/EOs4cDlcBkY[/video]
Now, since you are both claiming that you cannot practice law without a license.
You both, per forum rules, have to cite the law that issues a license to practice law. Also keep in mind the separation of powers. Only the executive branch can issue a license. Start with your own states.
I know that there is no such law that issues a license to practice law that can be found in Washington and Texas.
We are talking semantics here - indeed when is a license a license? When the court says it is and penalizes somebody for not having one.
http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/i...ctice-of-law-in-the-commonwealth-of-virginia/
http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/i...ctice-of-law-in-the-commonwealth-of-virginia/
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
FYI Law IS semantics.
Then the court is violating the law. The court is acting in an unlawful manor. There is no surprise there.
You're still not citing any law issuing a license. I have cited court cases stating that their cannot be any such license.
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You may think the manor (sic) unlawful, but it is their manor, their castle to keep.
Plenty of law referring to legal requirements:
http://www.americanbar.org/content/...model-def/model_def_statutes.authcheckdam.pdf
OC for ME
Regular Member
This is all I know.
On another note, those cases you "cite" are mostly "self representation" cases. No law against that. I'm a little fuzzy on what the judge would say if I represent you for free. I'm confident I know what he'll do if you pay me to represent you...at least in MO.
But, you are on a roll...
deepdiver
Campaign Veteran
Missouri is one of the worst states in the Union for obtaining the "right" to practice law. The price of admission is steep but the ability required, beyond time and money, is minimal.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
+1
"Lawyer" A person learned in the law. Attorneys like to believe that they are lawyers. Attorneys and judges try to tell the world that they are lawyers, but no attorney and judge (as well as cops) has ever demonstrated to me that they have any understanding of the law.
There is only one person that can represent the United states before the U.S. Supreme court. And it ain't an attorney.....
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
And that my friend is a violation of my First Amendment right.
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
So, cite the law issuing a license. If there is really a law then you can cite it to back up your claim.
You did not even cite the law.
Also mostly is not only or all.
If the state does not issue a license then the law requiring a license is null and void.
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
Still not a citation proving that the states even issue a license to practice law.
You are simply bleating like the rest of the sheep. You are believing all of those unbacked claims and never question them, never taking the effort to see if they are valid or not.
Just admit that your claim that there is a license to practice law was mistaken.