The Florida 4th DCA ruled today against the right to carry openly in the Norman case

sudden valley gunner · Mar 10, 2015

Grapeshot said:
It is good when the elevator hits the top floor.

I intentionally left off any emoticon in my post above and was not stating my conclusion in the subordinate clause "but see the means as being the question." The point was to get others to think, to see the problem(s).

I took the bait and used it as a chance to further liberty thinking....

Nothing of course was directed specifically at you.

Grapeshot · Mar 10, 2015

sudden valley gunner said:
I took the bait and used it as a chance to further liberty thinking....

Nothing of course was directed specifically at you.

Nor were my remarks directed to you personally.

The "elevator/top floor" reference was to those that concluded correctly based on the facts.

BTW - baited hooks are both sharp and barbed

Ezek · Mar 10, 2015

Grapeshot said:
Nor were my remarks directed to you personally.

The "elevator/top floor" reference was to those that concluded correctly based on the facts.

BTW - baited hooks are both sharp and barbed

I think where they try and muddle the whole situation is the fact that you never really "own" your car. you pay sales tax, you pay registration fees, and every year (or two) you pay personal property tax.. if you have to continuously pay tax on it, you don't own it.

there was also something else someone once told me, that the actually ownership was owned by the state or some such thing, and a title was actually just an agreement to lease the vehicle from them. which is why cops can "commandeer" your vehicle if need be.

Grapeshot · Mar 10, 2015

Ezek said:
I think where they try and muddle the whole situation is the fact that you never really "own" your car. you pay sales tax, you pay registration fees, and every year (or two) you pay personal property tax.. if you have to continuously pay tax on it, you don't own it.

there was also something else someone once told me, that the actually ownership was owned by the state or some such thing, and a title was actually just an agreement to lease the vehicle from them. which is why cops can "commandeer" your vehicle if need be.

Long but well detailed explanation which includes posse comitatus:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2247/can-cops-really-commandeer-cars

Ezek · Mar 10, 2015

Grapeshot said:
Long but well detailed explanation which includes posse comitatus:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2247/can-cops-really-commandeer-cars

Well, then they can commandeer from the passenger seat, no way in hell I'm letting them drive. ( sides I probably drive better at speed... legal courses to race at and such things)

marshaul · Mar 10, 2015

Grapeshot said:
If I can't afford the vehicle, will one be provided for me?

What if you don't have any legs? Does government need to provide you those for us to say that, by default, folks possess a right to travel by foot?

sudden valley gunner · Mar 10, 2015

Grapeshot said:
Nor were my remarks directed to you personally.

The "elevator/top floor" reference was to those that concluded correctly based on the facts.

BTW - baited hooks are both sharp and barbed

Sometimes its good to get pricked.

The Florida 4th DCA ruled today against the right to carry openly in the Norman case

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