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    Question Keeping your voice recorder from illegal searches

    I carry a voice recorder on my person when in public and often record long portions of the day. It occurred to me that this could be a double edged sword, as there may be some things I would prefer not be recorded.

    For instance, let's say my wife and I are driving in the car on the way to the store and we say something flirtatious that wasn't intended for the whole world to hear. There may be various things that could end up on a recorder that while not illegal are something I would rather remained private.

    There are several problems I see here:

    -What if the recorder does not have security features like a way to lock/encrypt it with a password?
    -What if the recorder is confiscated and evidence in my favor is destroyed? (I think some resolve this with a smartphone app that uploads audio to the cloud?)
    -What if I were detained and an investigator listened to my entire day in real time, scouring it for anything they could use to paint me in a bad light in court?

    Do some of you turn your recorder on and off throughout the day? I don't know if I could remember to do that or not. I'd always be forgetting if it is on or not.

    Anyway, any thoughts or insight on how you handle these things would be appreciated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by independence View Post
    I carry a voice recorder on my person when in public and often record long portions of the day. It occurred to me that this could be a double edged sword, as there may be some things I would prefer not be recorded.

    For instance, let's say my wife and I are driving in the car on the way to the store and we say something flirtatious that wasn't intended for the whole world to hear. There may be various things that could end up on a recorder that while not illegal are something I would rather remained private.

    There are several problems I see here:

    -What if the recorder does not have security features like a way to lock/encrypt it with a password?
    -What if the recorder is confiscated and evidence in my favor is destroyed? (I think some resolve this with a smartphone app that uploads audio to the cloud?)
    -What if I were detained and an investigator listened to my entire day in real time, scouring it for anything they could use to paint me in a bad light in court?


    Do some of you turn your recorder on and off throughout the day? I don't know if I could remember to do that or not. I'd always be forgetting if it is on or not.

    Anyway, any thoughts or insight on how you handle these things would be appreciated...
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    Cover the mic with your hand when you flirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by independence View Post
    I carry a voice recorder on my person when in public and often record long portions of the day. It occurred to me that this could be a double edged sword, as there may be some things I would prefer not be recorded.

    For instance, let's say my wife and I are driving in the car on the way to the store and we say something flirtatious that wasn't intended for the whole world to hear. There may be various things that could end up on a recorder that while not illegal are something I would rather remained private.

    There are several problems I see here:

    -What if the recorder does not have security features like a way to lock/encrypt it with a password?
    -What if the recorder is confiscated and evidence in my favor is destroyed? (I think some resolve this with a smartphone app that uploads audio to the cloud?)
    -What if I were detained and an investigator listened to my entire day in real time, scouring it for anything they could use to paint me in a bad light in court?

    Do some of you turn your recorder on and off throughout the day? I don't know if I could remember to do that or not. I'd always be forgetting if it is on or not.

    Anyway, any thoughts or insight on how you handle these things would be appreciated...
    OK, you started it. Cough it up. We demand to know.....

    This forum contains a lot of discussion that can be taken out of context.

    Remember this? "Don't Talk to Police" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

    You have to live your life. There is enough in this world to worry about.

    And a good attorney would not allow such innocuous banter to ever enter the case.

    I'm just sayn.....

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    Cops contend that phones/recording devices will (may?) contain evidence of your criminal acts, thus they confiscating it, or desiring to confiscate it. Yet, in most instances your device will likely contain evidence of the cop's criminal acts. Ironic, if you think about it. Again Terry v. OH rears its ugly head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Cops contend that phones/recording devices will (may?) contain evidence of your criminal acts, thus they confiscating it, or desiring to confiscate it. Yet, in most instances your device will likely contain evidence of the cop's criminal acts. Ironic, if you think about it. Again Terry v. OH rears its ugly head.
    "Cops contend that phones/recording devices will (may?) contain evidence of your criminal acts, thus they confiscating it, or desiring to confiscate it. Yet, in most some instances your device will likely may contain evidence of the cop's criminal acts. Ironic, if you think about it."

    Fixed it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    "Cops contend that phones/recording devices will (may?) contain evidence of your criminal acts, thus they confiscating it, or desiring to confiscate it. Yet, in most some instances your device will likely may contain evidence of the cop's criminal acts. Ironic, if you think about it."

    Fixed it for you.
    FIFY is frowned upon on OCDO I am lead to believe. Granted, your version may be applicable in your jurisdiction...but not all.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    FIFY is frowned upon on OCDO I am lead to believe. Granted, your version may be applicable in your jurisdiction...but not all.
    You undoubtedly refer to Rule#16 regarding False Attributions - hardly applies as it is patently clear that there was no malintent to make it seem as if you said something otherwise. I was trying to utilize a soft approach - apparently the message was missed.

    But, since you bring it up - look at Rule #6. You would seem to have made a generalized statement regarding "most instances."
    Yet, in most instances your device will likely contain evidence of the cop's criminal acts.
    I summarily refute that broad brush statement.
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