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    2.5 Million Served???

    I spotted a bumper sticker tonight that said:

    Guns Save Lives!
    2.5 Million Self-Defense Uses Per Year

    My research shows that number is closer to 670,000.

    What do you think? Any objective, third-party links to back up this or a different claim?
    Last edited by since9; 03-05-2015 at 04:31 AM.
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    IIRC, that number was from a government agency look-see that was asked for by obama, and then promptly ignored/forgotten when the number was way more than he wanted it to be. I have a bumper sticker from VCDL with that info.

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    2.5 million defensive gun uses is a conclusion of Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck, based on his 1994 National Self-defense Survey and reported in Armed Resistance to Crime:The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio...aspx?id=162693 Free reprint http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html

    Kleck has an extensive bibliography.
    I am responsible for my writing, not your understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafnhaf View Post
    IIRC, that number was from a government agency look-see that was asked for by obama, and then promptly ignored/forgotten when the number was way more than he wanted it to be. I have a bumper sticker from VCDL with that info.
    These are still avaiable from the VCDL store.
    http://vcdl-gear.myshopify.com/



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Kleck has an extensive bibliography.
    So does wikipedia. Doesn't make it right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    So does wikipedia. Doesn't make it right.
    I am a sustaining contributor $10/month to The Wikimedia Foundation and a registered contributor. If you see an error, sign in to the talk page and discuss it. It ain't wrong unless you can document it wrong.

    See, an encyclopedia, Britannica or Wikipedia, is of entries of positive assertions that are easily falsified, most easily by a counter example. Ain't no mays, or shoulds, or assertions of nonexistence. Put up or shut up.
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