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    Bill to restrict right to video police w/in 25', within 100 feet if armed.

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    Bill restricting rights of citizens to videotape police introduced in Texas House by Republican Sr. Villabla
    The House Bill 2918 introduced by Texas Representative Jason Villalba (R-Dallas) would make private citizens photographing or recording the police within 25 feet of them a class B misdemeanor, and those who are armed would not be able to stand recording within 100 feet of an officer.
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    An appeals court in Glik v. Cunniffe ruled unanimously that private citizens are allowed to videotape police in 2011, so this bill would go against the set precedent.

    http://www.chron.com/news/politics/t...e-6130903.phpk

    House Bill 2918
    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...f/HB02918I.pdf

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    So if a person was armed and detained by police they would not be able to video record it? I call BS and hope this dies, hopefully this Rhino is tossed from office next election.
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    For an utterly unbiased and reasoned analysis of the proposed legislation see http://photographyisnotacrime.com/bl...ops-in-public/

    On of PINAC's correspondents blogged
    So, at a time when police are becoming more militarized and more aggressive, it’s not surprising that corrupt politicians want to hide the immoral behavior of their hired guns. I mean, to quote one of the governments favorite lines, ‘if they have nothing to hide, they should have nothing to fear’, right? I personally do not believe this bill has a chance of advancing to becoming law, but the mere fact that this was trotted out is a look into the minds of these socioopaths who want to rule you and control you.
    I have no information to support an assertion that the sponsor of thje bill is himself a corrupt politician, but I also have great difficulty in believing that he just woke up one morning with the notioon that it would be good, right, and proper to restrict the public from videoing law enforcement as they went about their work in public.

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    Wonder how he picked 25 feet and 100 feet if armed? How do you stop being dragged from 26 to 25 feet and then being arrested?

    What's the bad outcome that this law is supposed to remedy?

    How about a law prohibiting standing on the sidewalk with 1/8th of an inch of the tip of your shoe over the curb, because you could cause a massive traffic accident in some alternate Universe? Geeze; I mean laws of probability, right?

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    It should be a crime to propose legislation like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    It should be a crime to propose legislation like this.
    Actually, there is. Conspiracy to deprive civil rights.

    http://tinyurl.com/m8tbrqp then on to http://www.constitution.org/brief/forsythe_42-1983.htm and then on to https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1985

    Then merrily skip on over to Texas laws against discrimination and deprivation of rights - which I am not going to look up and cite.

    I've got a shiny new Ben Franklin that says nobody will even threaten to bring charges against Representative Jason Villalba.

    Any takers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiC...iCFdWeQfA#t=14

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    Recording Police in Texas,will be illegal and even double secret probation illegal if

    ...you are armed.

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/...-filming-cops/

    On the cusp of possible, hopefully, maybe licensed, permitted open carry.

    The Lone Star State's own blue dog democrat, I mean RINO representative does this.

    Apparently, anyone can mess with Texas.

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    You have got to be kidding me...
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    It's called pandering to special interest groups, this time it happens to be police unions. Who seem to be deathly scared of transparency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    It's called pandering to special interest groups, this time it happens to be police unions. Who seem to be deathly scared of transparency.
    I looked over Sr. Villalba's legislative activity record and decided he is a progressive mouthpiece for enforcers.
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    From what I have read it is if you are unarmed distance is 25 feet, if armed distance is 100 feet. So.... recording is not actually banned but we all know what this is leading to. Can you garner any kind of support and do a Colorado on his sorry excuse for a representative of the people? I would love to see the forces of democracy take him out of office. Send a message or an opportunity will be lost.

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    I would hope that being introduced so late, and no co-sponsors, is good indication that this bill was submitted for the purposes of grandstanding rather than any expectation of it going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drdan01 View Post
    I would hope that being introduced so late, and no co-sponsors, is good indication that this bill was submitted for the purposes of grandstanding rather than any expectation of it going anywhere.
    I agree, that is what I believe and hope.
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    Remember!!!

    Remember the immortal words of fjpro2a - I pasted it below from a previous thread about two weeks ago.
    It has started, and will end badly for us.


    Hopeful, But?

    I would like to see an open carry bill passed, along with campus carry (even though concealed only) in the Great State of Texas very soon. But as a pragmatist, pessimist, and the worry-wart that I am, it is my belief that something will derail this bill with everyone blaming everyone else for the problem. Or, perhaps, something will be added to the bill with wording that can be interpreted many ways. Then, some Judge will temporarily put a stop on its enactment tying it up in the court for years. I am jealous of you guys and gals who are optimistic. You probably think Mayweather v Pacquiao is going to happen on May 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpro2a View Post
    Remember the immortal words of fjpro2a - I pasted it below from a previous thread about two weeks ago.
    It has started, and will end badly for us.


    Hopeful, But?

    I would like to see an open carry bill passed, along with campus carry (even though concealed only) in the Great State of Texas very soon. But as a pragmatist, pessimist, and the worry-wart that I am, it is my belief that something will derail this bill with everyone blaming everyone else for the problem. Or, perhaps, something will be added to the bill with wording that can be interpreted many ways. Then, some Judge will temporarily put a stop on its enactment tying it up in the court for years. I am jealous of you guys and gals who are optimistic. You probably think Mayweather v Pacquiao is going to happen on May 2nd.
    I don't see any connection between this bill and an open carry bill. I don't see how this bill threatens open carry passing in the least...
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    It begs the question, How did this clown get elected to any office?

    HB2918 should be given no attentions what so ever, A clear waste of time and tax payer money...

    This is a frivolous introduction of a proposed bill and should be marked "null and void"...

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    It's being discussed outside Texas as well

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...02#post2132302

    I know Texas has the reputation for doing everything bigger and better (well, exept for that Alaska place ) but I thought it did not run to azzhattery.

    Yes, he's just one representative, and seems to be bought and paid for by a few special interest groups, but one wonders why no legislative aide suggested that violating the First Amendment might be a less-than-stellar move.

    With respect to others who say this should just be ignored and allowed to die on the vine, I disagree. He's conspiring to violate the civil rights of folks and ought to be held to account for that. (As I said, he ought to but realize the chances of that are slim to none.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Post here for its nationwide implications.

    Bill restricting rights of citizens to videotape police introduced in Texas House by Republican Sr. Villabla
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    Presently see no "nationwide implications."

    Were the bill to make into statute law, then maybe there would exist such a condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryclubjoe View Post
    It begs the question, How did this clown get elected to any office?

    HB2918 should be given no attentions what so ever, A clear waste of time and tax payer money...

    This is a frivolous introduction of a proposed bill and should be marked "null and void"...

    My .02

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    This is where I have to admit there is a problem with the lesser of two evils, this guy was probably the conservative running against a liberal, and it is Texas. But he really is not a conservative, just parades himself as one, like many others do. He is a progressive statist, which is worse, IMO, than being a liberal, or a conservative. I have no doubt why he is proposing this legislation, the cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork across the county when it has to do with government transparency. In this case it is the police unions that fear that transparency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    This is where I have to admit there is a problem with the lesser of two evils, this guy was probably the conservative running against a liberal, and it is Texas. But he really is not a conservative, just parades himself as one, like many others do. He is a progressive statist, which is worse, IMO, than being a liberal, or a conservative. I have no doubt why he is proposing this legislation, the cockroaches are coming out of the woodwork across the county when it has to do with government transparency. In this case it is the police unions that fear that transparency.
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    A blogger quoted by Skid wrote: ‘if they have nothing to hide, they should have nothing to fear’
    This is to give ammunition to rights supporters.

    The concept quoted was literally one of the rationales used by the High Commission* and Bishop Whitgift** in the 1500s.

    Bishop Whitgift was the Archbishop of Canterbury under Elizabeth I. The High Commission was the church version of the Star Chamber Court. Among other things, the High Commission's job was to hunt down and persecute...err...prosecute so-called non-conformists who did not conform themselves to government religious dictates--espouse contrary doctrines, hold conventicles (in-home religious gatherings), fail to attend church, etc. The Star Chamber court was the secular criminal side of things; the High Commission was the church side of the equation.

    Whitgift and the High Commission were notorious for their violations of the right against self-incrimination. Outrage towards their perpetrations against ordinary people and minor, sincere clergy helped propel the right against self-incrimination to the forefront. Their rationale--nothing done wrong equals nothing to hide--was a lie, of course. They were very good at ensnaring simple people by trick questioning.

    Sixty years later, during one of his trials for treason, John Lilburne demanded of the court why they (the judges) went about to ensnare him by their questioning. By this time, enough people were aware of the ensnarement tactic that a fearful judge hastily disavowed trying to ensnare Lilburne. This in open court well-attended by the public.

    So, the next time a cop spews the cheezy tactic on your shirt, "If you have nothing to hide, why do you object to talking to us/consenting to a search?", you would not be far off the mark to respond, "Ahhh, Bishop Whitgift. I was wondering where you've been the last four hundred years. Didn't learn your lesson, eh?"

    My personal favorite is something more along the lines, "Geez, officer. Did you really just attempt that cheezy tactic? Really? That went out four hundred years ago with the abolition of the High Commission and the Star Chamber Court."

    * The full name was The High Commission for Ecclesiastical Causes.

    **Bishop Whitgift's successor, Bishop William Laud, was just as bad under James I. You can refer to them as twins--Whitgift and Laud.


    The information in the above post is pulled from memory of a wonderful book: The Fifth Amendment: The Right Against Self-Incrimination by Leonard Levy. It won the Pulitzer Prize in history in 1969 or 1970. It is still in print in paperback.
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    well this is an interesting thought....the dash cams , cars and the police are paid for by the citizens therefore (for those don't know where I am going with this) they would have to be removed unless they were made to come on when the officer is 100 ft away because he is armed. no more ..have a seat in the car because you and the armed officer would be with in 25 ft of that dash cam and he is amred......actually it seems to me that if they consent to being videoed by dash cam then they consent to being videoed even tho we have the right.... hummmmm.... a bill against our rights ....now if tx was able to secede from the u.s. then what would be gained or lost in the way of rights that we have today...is statehood in ways preserving our rights?
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