"The Texas Senate is expected to a bring pro-gun open carry bill to the floor for a vote as early as Monday. The move comes after the 60-day bill filing period ended on Friday. The Texas Legislature may now vote on and pass any bills. Before the first sixty days has passed, the Legislature may only approve bills on issues designated as “emergency items” by the Governor.
One bill being considered for early passage is an open carry bill written by State Senator Craig Estes (R-Wichita Falls). The bill (SB 17) which passed a committee vote earlier in the session would allow of open carry of firearms by people who have concealed handgun licenses (CHL). “I am very confident the Senate will . . ."
Take what you can get (then push for more next time), rather than throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting it all right now.
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Unfortunately, there is still a long way to go. When SB17 passes it still has to make it through a House committee, and then make it on to the calendar. My understanding is it is at that point that it faces the biggest hurdle - the calendar committee.
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One step forward is an improvement for sure, especially in a place as startlingly statist as Texas. If the bill banned something else currently legal as a bargain it'd be time to stop it, but I see no negative in a privilege gain without a liberty loss.
Unconstitutional and wrong as hell to require a permit though, that definitely needs to be at the forefront of the discussion.
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You can always move out from Texas, maybe like Cuba or Pakistan
I've shared this little tidbit before so I'm not going to elaborate .
As far back as during the 1845 Texas Constitution Convention there were concerns expressed regarding the efficacy of allowing the wearing/carrying of deadly weapons on one's person IN TEXAS.
That concern never quite went away and was later addressed during the 1876 Texas Constitution Convention......with the provision:
"...but the legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime."
Texans are still stuck with their 1876 Constitution.
Licensed (regulated) wearing of arms (handguns) is the result.
So..........are they all gone for the weekend?
I know, I was hoping they would actually do some work. Anyway, see what happens next week, BTW, Ian, appreciate your help keeping up with this stuff
As far as them doing work, this is "full day" time for them now. Before that 60 day mark we were waiting for, they would literally come in, welcome different groups to the capital for 30 minutes, then someone would motion to adjourn for the day and it would pass unanimously.
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If OC becomes law in Texas during this session, it will be licensed OC, and probably have other unpleasant restrictions attached. The problem is that Texas doesn't believe in repealing sections of code that restrict carry; instead, they amend it by tacking exemptions onto the end.
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This will pass, and quickly. There will be a few hearings and bluster, but the R's are desperate to get licensed OC to the governor's desk quickly. They want Constitutional Carry to go away, at least for now. Right, to every politician, is how little they can do so as to offend the least people. And the Lefties will scream over CC, those of us on the Right will grumble "OK for now, but we will be back in 2 years".
The politician can announce that they have passed OC as promised. (Without getting into LC and CC)
The average voter will wonder why there are CC rallies in 2 years, when OC passed, heck they even saw it once on the news!
The Left will wail for a while, but they knew they were going to lose on this.
The vast majority of gun owners will be satisfied, and that is what the politicians want, the majority.
I liked Constitutional Carry when I had it for a few months visiting WA. But I will now get a TX license so that I can finally carry here. I refused to get one to cc.
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I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.
Since NH only requires a license in two instances (to carry a handgun on your person that is both loaded and concealed, or to carry a loaded handgun in a vehicle), it's not really been a burden on her.
But NH is close to constitutional carry, despite the silly sallies warning that it will be "just like Texas!"
I was one of the first in line to get a Texas CHL....meaning I've held one now for what - about 19 years...?
I was also one of those who had always adhered to the frontier principle that it was better to be tried by 12 ..than carried by 6...LONG BEFORE the Texas CHL law was enacted.
In other words...I DO UNDERSTAND Constitutional carry.
The licensed carry that will be available on January 1, 2016 in Texas is a BIG DEAL.
Texans won't be subject to the confusion that has often been the case in states like Colorado...where there is NO LAW pertaining to open carry.....but a jurisdiction like Denver is able to prohibit open carry due to the ABSENCE of any State law regulating open carry that would serve to establish preemption..thereby providing that progressive cesspool with a HOME RULE exemption.
This is GOOD LAW...and it is CONSTITUTIONAL law in Texas. Congratulations Texans...and ...don't forget to express your thanks to those hardworking Okie's just North of the Red River ..for paving the way !
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