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    Carrying in a small car = pain and suffering

    Is it just me or do bucket seats in small cars not get along with any side-holstered full size pistols? I'm left handed, 6'3, mostly torso, and I drive a Prius C. It's practically impossible to get in and out of that car without banging up my gun and then having it jam into my ribs or guts. OWB seems a tad more forgiving than IWB, but it's still a pain in the butt. Are there any small car drivers out there that can give any tips? I absolutely hate taking my gun off to drive and then putting it back on in a confined space before I get out to shop or whatever.

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    Had the same problem in my wife's Chevy Cruz. Learned to get in and out slowly and very carefully. Full size 1911.
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    Being a person stuck in his right mind leaves you with less space for your holstered handgun. All the handles and latches and stuff over there do creep into the free space available.

    Shifting your OWB holster a bit more towards 4, 4:30 or even 5 o'clock may give you some of the room you want while still allowing you access to the grips. Another trick is to tuck your seatbelt under your holster as you pull it across your body. That also should give you more access to the grips.

    Changing the ride height is another cosideration. You bucket seat design puts "wings" where a lower-riding holster would be. Mid-ride or even high-ride might be the way for you to go.

    Changing the cant of your holster is another consideration. A more severe butt-forward rake might give you the room you are looking for, but often needs to be countered by moving te holster closer to 5:30 or 6 o'clock.

    Finally, when you go to try on/test drive holsters be sure to check them in as close to your seated-in-the-car position as you can. That may require bringing a buddy to hold up some cardboard simulating the car door as well as being seated.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyray9 View Post
    Is it just me or do bucket seats in small cars not get along with any side-holstered full size pistols? I'm left handed, 6'3, mostly torso, and I drive a Prius C. It's practically impossible to get in and out of that car without banging up my gun and then having it jam into my ribs or guts. OWB seems a tad more forgiving than IWB, but it's still a pain in the butt. Are there any small car drivers out there that can give any tips? I absolutely hate taking my gun off to drive and then putting it back on in a confined space before I get out to shop or whatever.
    This is spam. No one carries and drives a prius.
    Kidding. I've gotten this down to a science for me, though I carry on my RH side.
    I sit on the left side of the seat and kinda lean right and slide right until my holster butts right up against my seat belt latch. Then my belt goes over the holster and right into the latch. It doesn't make for very quick drawing but it is comfortable for me.
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    Well,,,

    Im 6ft and a lefty also and I drive a honda civic

    If you want to be able to draw while sitting, while belted in, in a tiny car...

    You got to carry cross draw!!!

    It is betterrer in every way,,, even for those unfortunate masses that are right handed..
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    Cross draw and shoulder holster may relieve some of your problems. High ride holsters that hold tight to the body might help also.

    And if all else fails, duct tape the gun to your forehead, it should not get in the way of your seats then.
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    Insofar as a side-holstered gun is not very accessible after the seat belt is buckled, I worked out a "car" holster. In my car, a cheap holster jammed between the seat and the console holds the gun against hard stops and so forth.

    In the interest of full-disclosure, I don't always remember to transfer to the "car holster" which usually resides in the glove box after I get out of the car. But, when I do remember it, my ribs don't complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Insofar as a side-holstered gun is not very accessible after the seat belt is buckled, I worked out a "car" holster. In my car, a cheap holster jammed between the seat and the console holds the gun against hard stops and so forth.

    In the interest of full-disclosure, I don't always remember to transfer to the "car holster" which usually resides in the glove box after I get out of the car. But, when I do remember it, my ribs don't complain.
    Duct tape that holster to your forehead and you won't forget it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Im 6ft and a lefty also and I drive a honda civic

    If you want to be able to draw while sitting, while belted in, in a tiny car...

    You got to carry cross draw!!!

    It is betterrer in every way,,, even for those unfortunate masses that are right handed..
    I'm in shape (round is so a shape!) and crossdraw does the same thing that appendix carry does - makes my muzzle point at things I absolutely, positively do not want destroyed, even "by accident". That means for folks like me crossdraw is the opposite of betterrer.

    And a Honda Civic? Do you have one of those orange safety flags on a stick so other motorists don't drive right over you?

    stay safe.
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    All y'all making suggestions about changing between holster A and holster B might want to recall why that may not be in your best interest. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...lowing-the-law

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    Wore a hole in the seat bolster of my GTi with a Glock; couldn't even reach the holster when I had a Miata (was jammed against the left door), wasn't even enough room for just me with the 914 when I was running that (it had sport seats and they are Narrow.
    I wound up getting some expanding rubber anchors (used by BMW, Subaru, etc to affix 'grocery hooks' and such) and mounting a right handed holster to the transmission tunnel. With tinted windows it was barely visible and the holes disappeared with a cap when I sold the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Duct tape that holster to your forehead and you won't forget it...


    But, but, but, I don't wanna pull the hair off the sides and back of my head.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    All y'all making suggestions about changing between holster A and holster B might want to recall why that may not be in your best interest. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...lowing-the-law

    stay safe.
    Y'know, when I first started carrying (CC), I was all sucked-in to the "conventional wisdom" about never letting a sheeple see the gun. I would go through all these fantastically difficult contortions to transfer the gun to the car holster, or holster it from the brief-case at the next stop after leaving wherever.

    Then one day, I said, "the hell with it." "Open carry is legal." And, "I'm not gonna suffer a car-jacking or robbery at the bank drive-thru just because a sheeple might get their knickers in a bunch." Or, words to that effect.

    Today, I holster up from the brief-case standing at the trunk of the car. And, unholster to the car holster before getting in the car.

    Enough is enough, rights are rights. And, I'm not going to go around trying to avoid every possible risk.

    Now, that doesn't mean I'm stupid about it. For example, if I am at my car and want to transfer the gun, I first look around at other parked cars, and look for anybody just sitting in their car or walking in the parking lot who might see me make the transfer. If there is someone looking at me, I just wait a few seconds, maybe pretending to fumble for keys or something. Then, after they pull away, or walk past, I make the transfer quickly, with a lot of attention on safe gun handling.

    If someone is sitting nearby in a car (but not next to me), I'll just turn my body so they can't really see me threading my belt through the holster loops. Or, the gun transfer.

    Over the last seven or eight years, I've maybe had to drive to a new parking space maybe twice.

    So, I won't invite trouble by just ignoring the situation and possible reactions. But, on the other hand, a right is a right, dammit. And, I'm only gonna go through but so much gyrations to exercise a right.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    the idea about the duct tape and the forehead is great. but there will be some prying involved if the air bags go off...

    and i dont think it will buff right out either.


    as for the real topic, i carry OWB in a simple leather holster with a thumb break. the rig fits between the seatbelt latch and the rear bolster. just forget about getting to it quickly.

    and skid, i'm driving a honda insight. the little two-door. smaller than a civic. so.... two flags!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafnhaf View Post
    the idea about the duct tape and the forehead is great. but there will be some prying involved if the air bags go off...

    and i dont think it will buff right out either.


    as for the real topic, i carry OWB in a simple leather holster with a thumb break. the rig fits between the seatbelt latch and the rear bolster. just forget about getting to it quickly.

    and skid, i'm driving a honda insight. the little two-door. smaller than a civic. so.... two flags!
    Then what's the point?

    As for those of you pedaling around in those tiny cars - just wait till you get to the time in your life when the body a) no longer bends in those directions and b) the body refuses to unbend once contorted to the shape necessary to get in/be in one of those cracker boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyray9 View Post
    Is it just me .......... I drive a Prius C.........
    This could be your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    This could be your problem.
    I would say "real pro-gunners only drive pick-up trucks." But, the days of bench seats in pick-up trucks are long gone. (sigh)
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I would say "real pro-gunners only drive pick-up trucks." But, the days of bench seats in pick-up trucks are long gone. (sigh)
    We went to buckets in the patrol cars in the 80's, as well as electric windows. I prefer the standard buckets to bench seats because I like mid drop holsters, the old border patrol/Jordan style.
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    Nice to see others have the same problem as me! My SUV is much more comfortable for carrying, but once you get used to filling up your tank for less than $20 it really gets hard to commute around in anything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyray9 View Post
    ...I drive a Prius C.
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    Hey Citizen,

    I thought a handgun must be on one's person or in a compartment like a glove box or center console in VA...
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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Hey Citizen,

    I thought a handgun must be on one's person or in a compartment like a glove box or center console in VA...
    Depends on whether you have a CHP (concealed handgun permit).

    There is no restriction on folks who did not submit to government licensing openly carrying a firearm in a vehicle, as far as I know. For example, laying it on the dashboard, or laying it on the passenger seat. Some folks who did not want to submit to government licensing of a natural right wanted to carry their gun discreetly, say in the center console or the glove box. That ran afoul of self-serving government restrictions on concealment, so the statute was amended to not criminalize "concealing" a handgun in the glove box or center console.

    Check out VA Code 18.2-308. The devil is in the details, so pay very close attention to the details.

    Assistance, clarification, and correction from other posters is welcome.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    I thought I remembered specifically addressing this with USER. I seem to recall him mentioning possible jail time and confiscation of firearm if an unlicensed citizen were to be caught with a pistol not in a worn open carry holster or with the firearm not in a container such as a glovebox or center console. I will try to find the post but it's a long shot that I actually find it before someone reads this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I thought I remembered specifically addressing this with USER. I seem to recall him mentioning possible jail time and confiscation of firearm if an unlicensed citizen were to be caught with a pistol not in a worn open carry holster or with the firearm not in a container such as a glovebox or center console. I will try to find the post but it's a long shot that I actually find it before someone reads this thread.
    Well, yes, that makes sense.

    Lets dissect this a little bit. First, the brief case is in the trunk. If the gun is in the brief case, it is totally out of reach of the driver (me). I can in no legitimate way be construed to be armed when I am in the driver's seat, and the gun is secured in the brief case in the locked trunk.

    Just checking to identify the possible misunderstanding. Are you thinking you must display the gun in a holster on your person to avoid being accused of concealment? As opposed to say, laying it on the dashboard, or the passenger seat?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Va Code 18.2-308 C 10
    Any person who may lawfully possess a firearm and is carrying a handgun while in a personal, private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel.


    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+18.2-308

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...virginia+carry

    Here's another relevant thread to the "secured container" law.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...iner-law/page4

    ____________________________________________


    This is how I've come to the conclusion that the only legal ways to carry in a vehicle in Virginia is to either A) Open Carry as one would normally outside of the vehicle or B) secure the handgun "in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel."

    This is what confused me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen
    Insofar as a side-holstered gun is not very accessible after the seat belt is buckled, I worked out a "car" holster. In my car, a cheap holster jammed between the seat and the console holds the gun against hard stops and so forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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