twoskinsonemanns
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It could be worse. They could have dangled in front you long enough to hope then snatch it away.
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McAuliffe will veto bills normal Virginians would like
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It could be worse. They could have dangled in front you long enough to hope then snatch it away.
Truth be told, we are counting this chicken before the egg is hatched.It could be worse. The could have dangled in front you long enough to hope then snatch it away.
wrearick
Regular Member
I agree that sometimes it is worth taking the small steps especially if large steps have no chance of success. The potential problem with the incremental approach is the "appearance" that we will "never be satisfied" and are always looking for more. (kind of like what we accuse the anti's of all the time).
I am not saying don't do it or always do it but that it is a "factor" to be considered and evaluated when we consider legislation. I would rather see 2 or 3 worthwhile bills pass than 10 do nothing substantial, but make us feel good, bills get passed.
Supporting it was a stupid move for VCDL. It had virtually no chance of being signed so playing up to ALL gun owners and saying we don't support it because....would have been the smart move. Instead they took the in your eye approach and drove that wedge deeper.
va_tazdad
Regular Member
Must have been in Mississippi where he has his imaginary car factory. They DON'T teach that here in Virginia classes.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Radio media went into slightly more detail (slightly) on his explanations.
The explanations were too smooth. I wonder whether he's got staff who dream up his comments for him.
JamesCanby
Activist Member
McAuliffe, a gun owner and hunter, said the reciprocity bill would put state law enforcement officers at risk. As for the loaded shotgun bill, he said: "One of the first things you learn in gun safety is you do not keep a loaded gun in your vehicle."
I suspect that McAuliffe will be shocked and dismayed when he actually learns that Virginia law does not prohibit loaded handguns in one's vehicle, and may go hide in a Richmond cave when he figures out how MANY vehicles he may be traveling next to contain a loaded gun...
I suspect that McAuliffe will be shocked and dismayed when he actually learns that Virginia law does not prohibit loaded handguns in one's vehicle, and may go hide in a Richmond cave when he figures out how MANY vehicles he may be traveling next to contain a loaded gun...
He could hide in plain view in NY - no one would even know he was there....wish that were true in Virginia.
He'd be more dismayed if he knew there are only a handful of places you can't have a loaded long gun
Repeater
Regular Member
Mentioned in War on Guns
VSSA blogged about the vetoes here; picked up by Davis Codrea:
Tyrant Presumes to Deny Your Rights
I thought their headline needed tweaking.
VSSA blogged about the vetoes here; picked up by Davis Codrea:
Tyrant Presumes to Deny Your Rights
I thought their headline needed tweaking.
TFred
Regular Member
And here's the key paragraph:
The bill protecting concealed handgun permit holder information, SB948, in no way endangers law enforcement. In fact, there is evidence that concealed carry permit holders are some of the most law abiding people in the nation. All this bill does is protect Virginia CHP holders from fishing expeditions that law enforcement in states like Maryland and New Jersey typically take when they learn someone they stop for routine traffic violations is a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder.
Several studies have shown that not only are permit-holders less likely to commit a crime than average citizens, permit-holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers! So any given cop is safer pulling over a permit-holder than he or she would be pulling over one of their own colleagues.
McAuliffe is nothing more than a big fat liar.
TFred
Well maybe next year VCDL can push for exemption of the long gun law for anyone with a hunting license. I'd still be out because as the property owner I don't need one, neither do I need a CHP since the farms are my own place of business. Odd that I still can't carry during bow or ML season though.
What am I thinking though. There's no money in teaching hunter license classes. My bad.
What am I thinking though. There's no money in teaching hunter license classes. My bad.
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TFred
Regular Member
And here's the text from the Governor's veto of SB 948. I've read some crazy excuses for a veto over the past few years, but this one takes the cake.
Here we have absolute proof that the other side (who holds the strings of our puppet governor) views law-abiding gun owners as CRIMINALS. In SPITE of the studies that show permit-holders are less likely to commit a crime than both the general population AND police officers themselves!
Put on your tall boots before reading this one...
TFred
Here we have absolute proof that the other side (who holds the strings of our puppet governor) views law-abiding gun owners as CRIMINALS. In SPITE of the studies that show permit-holders are less likely to commit a crime than both the general population AND police officers themselves!
Put on your tall boots before reading this one...
TFred
Pursuant to Article V, Section 6, of the Constitution of Virginia, I veto Senate Bill 948, which would prohibit the Virginia State Police from sharing information regarding an individual’s concealed handgun permit status with another state’s law enforcement agencies if that state does not have a reciprocity agreement with Virginia.
Information sharing is the cornerstone of public safety, and it is essential to our law enforcement officers’ ability to perform their responsibilities safely and efficiently. Criminals are very mobile, and it is only through information sharing that police are able to identify cross-jurisdictional crimes and their perpetrators. Law enforcement agencies must share complete data to be effective. Otherwise agencies work independently in silos, crimes go unsolved, and criminals remain free.
The sharing of concealed handgun permit information between law enforcement agencies provides officers advanced information concerning whether an individual may be armed. This information is imperative and potentially life-saving. Law enforcement officers face dangerous situations on a daily basis, and they must have the tools and information necessary to accurately assess situations and minimize potential dangers.
Accordingly, I veto this bill.
Information sharing is the cornerstone of public safety, and it is essential to our law enforcement officers’ ability to perform their responsibilities safely and efficiently. Criminals are very mobile, and it is only through information sharing that police are able to identify cross-jurisdictional crimes and their perpetrators. Law enforcement agencies must share complete data to be effective. Otherwise agencies work independently in silos, crimes go unsolved, and criminals remain free.
The sharing of concealed handgun permit information between law enforcement agencies provides officers advanced information concerning whether an individual may be armed. This information is imperative and potentially life-saving. Law enforcement officers face dangerous situations on a daily basis, and they must have the tools and information necessary to accurately assess situations and minimize potential dangers.
Accordingly, I veto this bill.
2a4all
Regular Member
So in an encounter with a LEO in Virginia, we have no duty to inform him/her that we are armed, but yet the Guv thinks that the state has a duty to inform LEOs of other states that we might be armed? Especially if we are travelling in a state that doesn't honor our CHP? Is he presuming that we ignore the laws of other states? And how does he offer that "assessment" to these LEOs when folks who do not have a Virginia CHP travel into other states? The LEOs of other states can get a warning that law abiding citizens may be armed, but we can't give them one for armed criminals? When/how does he propose to give these LEOs "the tools and information necessary to accurately assess situations and minimize potential dangers"? If these LEOs are as concerned about their safety as the Guv is, then they have no choice but to assume that the occupants of every vehicle with VA tags are armed. But wait, aren't they already doing that? :banghead:
His logic alone should be cause enough to muster the votes to override this veto.
I'm not going into how ridiculous this reason for the veto of the loaded long gun bill is...because I'm tickled pink he did kill it.
Unknowingly, he aided the free carry of firearms in virginia.
Additionally, there is no relationship between being a valid concealed handgun permit holder and transporting a loaded shotgun or rifle. Concealed handgun permit holders have no required training regarding shotguns or rifles. Therefore, no logical nexus exists to confer on a concealed handgun permit holder a new shotgun or rifle benefit that supersedes local restrictions.
Unknowingly, he aided the free carry of firearms in virginia.
Additionally, there is no relationship between being a valid concealed handgun permit holder and transporting a loaded shotgun or rifle. Concealed handgun permit holders have no required training regarding shotguns or rifles. Therefore, no logical nexus exists to confer on a concealed handgun permit holder a new shotgun or rifle benefit that supersedes local restrictions.
Have Gun - Will Carry
Regular Member
Excuse me for jumping in after the conversation has already moved on, but this quote struck me as unbelievable... Do you mean to tell me that all cops in Virginia always unload their weapons before entering a vehicle? They must, because to do otherwise would be to break one of the very first rules they all learned about gun safety!
Right? Or are you (not you personally, JC) trying to say that all VA cops knowingly and repeatedly break these safety rules on a daily basis? If that's the case, you wouldn't catch me even visiting your state, let alone living there, with all those unsafe cops driving around... The horror!
:lol: Maybe someone should point out this discrepancy to your governor? Pot, meet kettle...
Repeater
Regular Member
You've already said it! Excuses and poor ones at that.
Excuses like lies, repeated often enough, will be believed by the gullible.
Reasoning.....yeah, he's an idiot.
But there is reason there. If these bills were not killed, people could have machine guns which would have been carried in vehicles by CHP HOLDERS who are not properly trained, into states like Mary land, where they could self fire injuring unsuspecting police officers.