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    House Panel approves open-carry bill


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    That's excellent news! Thank you for the update Count.

    Do we know what these "minor wording changes" are from SB17?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count View Post
    Sweet! Thanks for posting the update! Though no surprises that "poncho" voted against it--go figure!

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    It looks like we are getting ready to start knocking on the governor's door

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    That's excellent news! Thank you for the update Count.

    Do we know what these "minor wording changes" are from SB17?
    Too long to do a line by line comparison by eye. There may have been changes in committee, but this is how HB 910 was originally:

    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/HB00910I.htm

    Here's the engrossed text of SB 17:

    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/SB00017E.htm

    Looks like HB 910 doesn't include changes to 411.188(b) which require the use of specific holsters (which is a good omission in general). Same with 411.190(b).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordanmills View Post
    Too long to do a line by line comparison by eye. There may have been changes in committee, but this is how HB 910 was originally:

    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/HB00910I.htm

    Here's the engrossed text of SB 17:

    http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/SB00017E.htm

    Looks like HB 910 doesn't include changes to 411.188(b) which require the use of specific holsters (which is a good omission in general). Same with 411.190(b).
    I know where the bills can be found, but like you said, it's a little too long to sit there and look at it line by line.

    I do like that it doesn't include the holster requirement as it took out the possibility of a drop leg. At the same time, I kind of just wish they could have sent SB17 as is so we can just get it passed through.
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    Do a text search in 910 for "holster" .... You'll find 10 matches, which have the "shoulder or belt holster" language, I believe... Possibly the most important one is second to last...

    SECTION 48. Sections 46.15(a) and (b), Penal Code, are amended to read as follows: <- section that makes 46.02, the general prohibition on handgun possession not apply to CHL holders

    ...

    (b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who: <- section that makes 46.02, the general prohibition on handgun possession not apply to CHL holders

    ...

    (6) is carrying:
    (A) a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a handgun; and
    (B) a handgun:
    (i) in a concealed manner; or
    (ii) in a shoulder or belt holster;

    So yes, in 910, if the handgun is not concealed, it must be in a shoulder or belt holster
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    Unless I read it wrong, they lumped SB 17 and HB 910 together and retained the HB number. Please correct me if I'm wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangkiller View Post
    Unless I read it wrong, they lumped SB 17 and HB 910 together and retained the HB number. Please correct me if I'm wrong
    That is what is seems like to me as well, but like I said with the passing of this it is a step in the right direction and it will soon be knock on the governor's door to go into law
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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangkiller View Post
    Unless I read it wrong, they lumped SB 17 and HB 910 together and retained the HB number. Please correct me if I'm wrong
    Where did you read this? I see the text:

    Description Comment Date Time Journal Page
    H Reported favorably as substituted 03/26/2015
    H Committee substitute considered in committee 03/26/2015

    But what is the committee substitute and where can we see that? It doesn't appear to have amendments in the bill text at all.

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    In a nutshell

    HB910, the licensed open carry, will move to the House Calendars committee and will arrive to the House floor in a matter of weeks..... (session ends June 1st). It is important to call the Calendars committee members and urge them to schedule it..... Strauss (the bad leader of the House) has a tight control on the Calendars committee! Therefore, after calling the members of the Calendars committee also call your reps and urge them to sign on as co-authors to this very popular bill (80+ so far). HB937, campus carry, will be voted out of the House committee next week. We cannot let them change the bill to give an opt-out provision to public universities!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really love HB226 which is SB273 passed by the Senate! This will place heavy sanctions on local governments that improperly post 30.06 signs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    All in all not a bad session!!!! Open carry will normalize the sight of guns and educate the public and law enforcement. After that is an easy transition to unlicensed open carry or even Constitutional carry! Once people will realize that guns, just like SUVs, don't have a mind of their own and do killings despite their owners objections we can take the next step! Remember how many news stories demonized SUVs for over a decade? They all died down..... Same thing will happen with guns. And finally kids will see guns in public and can have a healthy conversation with their parents about them, since in Public Schools they are not allowed to see or hear about guns, freedom, or the Second Amendment. Great first step! I see a lot of good things moving forward.

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    Sometimes being a linux geek has its advantages

    I grabbed the two versions of the bill and saved them locally. Using the diff tool I was able to identify that there is 140 lines changed between the two texts. I have the delta between the two saved to a third file if anyone wants to look just at the changes. The file is about 6k in size. delta.txt

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    maybe a little explanation

    You will see symbols on the left side of the column of text.

    < means the original
    > the house changed it to . ...
    the number sequences like 130,132c129,131 show the location in the document where the changes occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Where did you read this? I see the text:

    Description Comment Date Time Journal Page
    H Reported favorably as substituted 03/26/2015
    H Committee substitute considered in committee 03/26/2015

    But what is the committee substitute and where can we see that? It doesn't appear to have amendments in the bill text at all.
    That or very nearly that is what I read. I also read the "how a bill becomes a law" page trying to find out what "substituted" meant and that's the conclusion I came to. Again, please let me know if I'm wrong.

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    Thanks half_life1052, that's handy.
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    What if you are openly carrying an AR Pistol with a sling? Its reasonable to say that there is not shoulder or belt holster for an AR Pistol.
    I'm not sure why you would carry an AR pistol when you have the option of a traditionally sized handgun once the bill is signed but to each his own. I see this as an issue for those that like to push the boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC-Aviator View Post
    What if you are openly carrying an AR Pistol with a sling? Its reasonable to say that there is not shoulder or belt holster for an AR Pistol.
    I'm not sure why you would carry an AR pistol when you have the option of a traditionally sized handgun once the bill is signed but to each his own. I see this as an issue for those that like to push the boundaries.
    Teehee, some of the OCT guys have already found a holster for an AR or AK pistol.

    As the legislature compromises and fails to restore our rights, we can expect the unjustifiable boundaries they set to be ridden hard.
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