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    Carrying a pistol in LOCKBOX in BACKPACK on Campus

    Hey guys,

    I am currently a student at a universtiy in washington. After the shooting at SPU I've always been conscious of the fact that I don't have my gun on campus.

    I am under 21 and bought my handgun through a private transfer, so I do not have a conceal carry. I am trying to think of a way that I conceal carry my pistol in my backpack, so that if a bad situation arises somewhere on my campus I can keep myself and those in my immediate area safe.

    My thought was to buy one of these, http://www.amazon.com/Barska-Book-Sa.../dp/B00BGIY06A , wrap a piece of cloth around my gun (prevent metal to metal clanging noise), and call it good.

    Please correct me if I am wrong but first off if an officer wanted to randomly search my backpack while I am on campus he could not. I could just use my 4th and 5th amendment right?
    Let's say he does look through my back pack however, and see's that one of the books is actually a safe. Now he does not have the combination code to get into the safe. If he wanted to look at the contents he would have to break it open. This again is against the 4th amendment. Showing a broken safe in court, all charges would have to be dismissed.

    The particular box I bought is a different model then the one I attatched, it is an engineering book cover. I found though with this type of safe the edges of the safe can be pryed slightly to get a slight look inside.


    My question is would an officer "prying" the box to look inside, be the same as attempting to break the safe? This is another reason why I plan to wrap my firearm in a piece of cloth, that way all that is seen is cloth.

    I am also curious if I can carry my gun loaded in this safe, in my backpack, in a vehicle. I am not completely aware of all the laws and what rights officers have for searching your vehicle (pack in your vehicle) if I were to get pulled over.

    Thank you guys for your feedback. Protecting our rights in this time and age is a difficult task that we all most fight for together.

    God bless.

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    Welcome to OCDO ecdirtdevil.

    Moved your post to the Washington sub-forum as most of your questions are state and school specific.

    Others should be along shortly to offer their assistance.
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    Just to keep it short, and simple. You are under 21, and you carry a loaded gun concealed in this state without a CPL you are breaking the law. If you have a gun that is so secure in a lockbox it will do you no good anyway. I'm sure that having a gun on your campus is a violation of your student code of conduct also. For now get some pepper spray, or a taser. Also read the stickies about WA laws, and do some more research unless you have a lot of money to pay a lawyer.
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    Some have solved this problem (although not ideally) by carrying the gun unloaded with a full magazine in a fanny pack.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Welcome to OCDO. "Please do not conceal illegally" It is possible to lose your Rights for acting outside the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Welcome to OCDO. Please do not conceal without a CPL. It is possible to lose your Rights for acting outside the law.
    Would amend that to "Please do not conceal illegally" or "Please do not carry illegally."

    There are places/circumstances where a permit/license is not required. and/or no permit is needed to OC. Individual state laws will determine that.
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    Please learn these things well. You may lawfully carry concealed under the age of 21 without a Concealed Pistol License in the state of Washington by simply following these simple quotes.

    RCW 9.41.060
    Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

    The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:

    (9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper; or
    RCW 9.41.010
    Terms defined.

    Unless the context clearly requires otherwise, the definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter.

    (14) "Loaded" means:
    (a) There is a cartridge in the chamber of the firearm;
    (b) Cartridges are in a clip that is locked in place in the firearm;
    (c) There is a cartridge in the cylinder of the firearm, if the firearm is a revolver;
    (d) There is a cartridge in the tube or magazine that is inserted in the action; or
    (e) There is a ball in the barrel and the firearm is capped or primed if the firearm is a muzzle loader.
    Notice that Washington state law does not dictate that the ammo and firearm must be separate from each other. You may lawfully keep for example a semi auto pistol in a backpack with a fully loaded mag in the same backpack and in fact, in the same compartment as the firearm. Some people may tell you differently. Some police officers will most likely tell you differently. They are WRONG.

    As for carrying on campus at UW, the worst they can do is kick you out for a rules violation as you are not violating any criminal laws by carrying on campus. If you never have to use the firearm and keep it concealed at all times, nobody is the wiser. IF you should ever have to use it in order to protect your life or the life of another, in my opinion, the student code of conduct be damned. My life is much more important to me then some stupid school rule aimed at disarming me and making me a victim.

    If in doubt about anything I have stated here, feel free to consult with a lawyer. But Washington state law regarding this issue is pretty well spelled out.
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    Oh yes I should have made clear that the magazine cannot be in the pistol either.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Hmmm if i had some big pockets, I'd rock a pocket pistol. 380 in a very slim case thats opaque of course...and a mag in another pocket. No need for a case for that.
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    Hopefully you do have a semi and not a revolver, even with a speed loader or moon clips, it's still a pain to load in a hurry. I am not telling you to break the law but this is your firearm and your safety at stake so do what you think needs to be done to protect yourself from A$$ hats who want to harm you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Oh yes I should have made clear that the magazine cannot be in the pistol either.
    Well, so long as there are no cartridges in it it might be legal since it would not be loaded. But it would be more useful to carry the magazine separate from the pistol with cartridges in the magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    Well, so long as there are no cartridges in it it might be legal since it would not be loaded. But it would be more useful to carry the magazine separate from the pistol with cartridges in the magazine.
    I believe we are on the same page.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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