ShootinRugers
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I wish these walks would fall on a different day; I work most Saturdays, but understand. I'll see what I can do.
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University of Akron Open Carry/Firearm Education Walk
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BB62
Accomplished Advocate
I understand, and you're not the only person who has said that. In this case, it's a 3 1/2 hr drive for me, and for the people who don't have to drive as far, but have to work on Monday, I'm thinking they'd like a day of rest before the week starts.
I will post something on the walk page, at some point, just to see if that would change interest for the next one.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
No, signups are limited to those who are members of Facebook. You can see the event page without being a Facebook member, though.
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BB62
Accomplished Advocate
** NEWS FLASH: Armed Student Participation **
This morning I received an e-mail from UA Vice President & General Counsel (head lawyer) Ted Mallo. It thoroughly addressed the issue of armed student participation at the walk. A *portion* of it said "Lawful “open carry” is not prohibited conduct under The University’s Code of Student Conduct."
>> Quite appropriately, the e-mail also contained other advisory and cautionary information - none of which should be of concern to an individual, student or not, who conducts themselves appropriately and legally at this event or anywhere else. <<
I have a great deal of respect for the manner in which Mr. Mallo has represented UA and conducted himself, and I will be following up with him today in order to see about creating a summary of his communication which is succinct, yet comprehensive, so I can publish it in its entirety.
Bottom line - legally armed student participation is ON.
This morning I received an e-mail from UA Vice President & General Counsel (head lawyer) Ted Mallo. It thoroughly addressed the issue of armed student participation at the walk. A *portion* of it said "Lawful “open carry” is not prohibited conduct under The University’s Code of Student Conduct."
>> Quite appropriately, the e-mail also contained other advisory and cautionary information - none of which should be of concern to an individual, student or not, who conducts themselves appropriately and legally at this event or anywhere else. <<
I have a great deal of respect for the manner in which Mr. Mallo has represented UA and conducted himself, and I will be following up with him today in order to see about creating a summary of his communication which is succinct, yet comprehensive, so I can publish it in its entirety.
Bottom line - legally armed student participation is ON.
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GhostOfJefferson
Regular Member
I may have that weekend open actually, will need to verify but if I do I'll see if I can't get out with y'all.
jackrockblc
Regular Member
Unfortunately, my sister will be unable to attend.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
Well, thanks for making the effort to get her to come!Unfortunately, my sister will be unable to attend.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
As I previously said I would do, I followed up with Mr. Mallo to request that he summarize his communication in a succinct and more understandable manner. Today I received a note from Associate General Counsel Scott Campbell that Mr. Mallo's communication would stand as originally issued.
So... fire up your law library and check out Mr. Mallo's initial reply: (the ellipses are Mr. Mallo's):
"Mr. Smith…
…thank you for your below e-mail and for informing us that you that you have been in contact with Assistant Chief Weber.
The University of Akron’s Student Conduct Code is a rule adopted by our Board of Trustees. I have no authority to unilaterally waive enforcement of a Board rule and thus must decline your request in your e-mail that I state that the University will waive enforcement of its student conduct rules in connection with students participating in this event.
However, please note that with respect to possession or use of weapons on campus that the prohibited conduct in the University of Akron’s Student Conduct Code is limited to that set forth in the rule…specifically,
“… “Unlawful or unauthorized possession of firearms, fireworks, explosives, other weapons, or dangerous chemicals, or using any such item, even if lawfully possessed, in a manner that harms, threatens or causes fear to others…” [O.A.C. 3359-41-01 (D)(12); underlined added]
Lawful “open carry” is not prohibited conduct under The University’s Code of Student Conduct.
If however, for example, a student was under a court order prohibiting the student from possession of a firearm, and the student violated that court order by participating in the “open carry” activity on the University campus, a violation of the Student Conduct Code (as well as criminal code violations) could be pursued against the student. Likewise, if a student participating in the “open carry” activity used such weapon “…in a manner that harms, threatens or causes fear to others…”, then in such event, the student may be subject to a violation of the Student Conduct Code. Also, it is important to note that the University leases property on its main campus to the Akron Public Schools for the conduct of a STEM high school and that an Akron Public Schools STEM middle school is adjacent to the University main campus.
Again, thank you for your cooperation in seeking to promote a lawful and safe activity.
Ted Mallo"
So... fire up your law library and check out Mr. Mallo's initial reply: (the ellipses are Mr. Mallo's):
"Mr. Smith…
…thank you for your below e-mail and for informing us that you that you have been in contact with Assistant Chief Weber.
The University of Akron’s Student Conduct Code is a rule adopted by our Board of Trustees. I have no authority to unilaterally waive enforcement of a Board rule and thus must decline your request in your e-mail that I state that the University will waive enforcement of its student conduct rules in connection with students participating in this event.
However, please note that with respect to possession or use of weapons on campus that the prohibited conduct in the University of Akron’s Student Conduct Code is limited to that set forth in the rule…specifically,
“… “Unlawful or unauthorized possession of firearms, fireworks, explosives, other weapons, or dangerous chemicals, or using any such item, even if lawfully possessed, in a manner that harms, threatens or causes fear to others…” [O.A.C. 3359-41-01 (D)(12); underlined added]
Lawful “open carry” is not prohibited conduct under The University’s Code of Student Conduct.
If however, for example, a student was under a court order prohibiting the student from possession of a firearm, and the student violated that court order by participating in the “open carry” activity on the University campus, a violation of the Student Conduct Code (as well as criminal code violations) could be pursued against the student. Likewise, if a student participating in the “open carry” activity used such weapon “…in a manner that harms, threatens or causes fear to others…”, then in such event, the student may be subject to a violation of the Student Conduct Code. Also, it is important to note that the University leases property on its main campus to the Akron Public Schools for the conduct of a STEM high school and that an Akron Public Schools STEM middle school is adjacent to the University main campus.
Again, thank you for your cooperation in seeking to promote a lawful and safe activity.
Ted Mallo"
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
His response, which I condensed previously, is unchanged.
Essentially what it says is "Armed students who participate, as long as they are legally armed and otherwise acting in a legal manner, are free to participate without concern of violating the Student Conduct Code".
I did make contact with a few UA students, and I believe a couple of them are signed up for the walk.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
** NEWS ARTICLE ** UA Student Newspaper: The Buchtelite
We've made the bigtime!! Grant Morgan, a student and the News Editor of The Buchtelite, the UA student newspaper, and I have talked extensively about the walk over the past few days. One result is the article linked below, and Mr. Morgan tells me that there will be a follow-up article after the walk also.
>> Remember - armed students ARE cordially invited to participate. <<
FYI - there are a few corrections/clarifications that I will be sending to Mr. Morgan, so please refrain from listing them until the article is revised.
http://buchtelite.com/269…/news/open-carry-walk-on-saturday/
We've made the bigtime!! Grant Morgan, a student and the News Editor of The Buchtelite, the UA student newspaper, and I have talked extensively about the walk over the past few days. One result is the article linked below, and Mr. Morgan tells me that there will be a follow-up article after the walk also.
>> Remember - armed students ARE cordially invited to participate. <<
FYI - there are a few corrections/clarifications that I will be sending to Mr. Morgan, so please refrain from listing them until the article is revised.
http://buchtelite.com/269…/news/open-carry-walk-on-saturday/
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
The above listed student newspaper article now has a poll - hit it!
Rusty Young Man
Regular Member
The above listed student newspaper article now has a poll - hit it!
Done, and bump.
Perfectly legal - 12 votes
OC deters crime - 7
Cannoli instead of guns
rolleyes - 5Guns should be blamed - 4
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
Thank you sir!Done, and bump.
Perfectly legal - 12 votes
OC deters crime - 7
Cannoli instead of guns
Guns should be blamed - 4
RT48
Regular Member
Another news article about tomorrow's event.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/04/open_carry_walk_at_the_univers.html
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/04/open_carry_walk_at_the_univers.html
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
They insist on calling a WALK a "march". <sigh>
Another article: http://www.ohio.com/news/local/gun-...ch-across-university-of-akron-campus-1.585607
Another article: http://www.ohio.com/news/local/gun-...ch-across-university-of-akron-campus-1.585607
RT48
Regular Member
Akron Beacon-Journal article about the walk.
http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news...k-across-university-of-akron-campus-1.586490#
http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news...k-across-university-of-akron-campus-1.586490#
pirateguy191
Regular Member
Not a bad story. It actually turned out to be a nice day and a great event. Mostly positive reactions from the people we met. Thank you BB62 for organizing.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
I thought we walked in April.