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    Gays, Lesbians and Transgender individuals and FIREARMS in CT.

    Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy recently signed an executive order prohibiting the use of state funds for travel to the state of Indiana.

    For the record:

    I am as outraged as the governor over the INFRINGEMENT legislation enacted by the State of Indiana.

    Gov. Dannel Malloy is obviously and correctly upset by the enacted legislation which clearly INFRINGES upon the lifestyle and choices of law abiding members of Indiana society who are gay, lesbian and/or transgender.

    I find no difference in what the Indiana legislature has done regarding the sexual preferences of individuals who are gay, lesbian and/or transgender, and what he and the Connecticut legislature did and are attempting to do regarding the INFRINGEMENT OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of law-abiding firearm owners in Connecticut.

    How will Gov. Dannel Malloy react if pro-firearm states and their Governors, issue similar executive orders prohibiting their states from expanding public funds for travel to Connecticut?

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    Well,,,

    How will Gov. Dannel Malloy react if pro-firearm states and their Governors, issue similar executive orders prohibiting their states from expanding public funds for travel to Connecticut?

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    Guess what???

    The Governor of Washington State,,, just now,,, did just that!!!
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    Dear Mr. Peruta -

    Would you please tell us how you feel about Connecticutt's own behavior?

    http://volokh.com/2010/07/09/religio...united-states/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Peruta View Post
    Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy recently signed an executive order prohibiting the use of state funds for travel to the state of Indiana.

    For the record:

    I am as outraged as the governor over the INFRINGEMENT legislation enacted by the State of Indiana.

    Gov. Dannel Malloy is obviously and correctly upset by the enacted legislation which clearly INFRINGES upon the lifestyle and choices of law abiding members of Indiana society who are gay, lesbian and/or transgender.

    I find no difference in what the Indiana legislature has done regarding the sexual preferences of individuals who are gay, lesbian and/or transgender, and what he and the Connecticut legislature did and are attempting to do regarding the INFRINGEMENT OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of law-abiding firearm owners in Connecticut.

    How will Gov. Dannel Malloy react if pro-firearm states and their Governors, issue similar executive orders prohibiting their states from expanding public funds for travel to Connecticut?

    Edward A. Peruta
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    Sarcasim is a poor avenue to effect change. Using a false premise as the foundation of your righteous outrage only lends credence to a bunch of nitiwts who did not read the IN law.

    Sorry, I'm not buying it. Keep dragging CT into their own courts to effect change, that seems to have been working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Peruta View Post
    For the record:

    I am as outraged as the governor over the INFRINGEMENT legislation enacted by the State of Indiana.

    Gov. Dannel Malloy is obviously and correctly upset by the enacted legislation which clearly INFRINGES upon the lifestyle and choices of law abiding members of Indiana society who are gay, lesbian and/or transgender.
    What about the lifestyle and choices of law-abiding members of Indiana society who simply don't want to associate with events intended to promote homosexual conduct?

    And make no mistake, one key purpose of a public marriage ceremony or reception is to promote and provide public approbation to the union and presumed physical intimacy that are part of it. Traditionally, a marriage makes legitimate that which would otherwise be "illegitimate."

    Should a professional campaign manager or advertising firm be required to provide services to all comers? Or is it permissible for one to limit his business to Democrat campaigns, while another specializes in Republican efforts?

    Is an actor required to accept all roles offered to him? Or may he decline parts that he finds personally objectionable?

    Is a Baptist printer or caterer really required to help promote a Mormon missionary effort?

    I personally believe it would be mean spirited and bigoted to deny anyone a seat at the proverbial lunch counter based on race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, (peaceful) mental illness, religious or political affiliation, etc.

    But I think it is a gross violation of the freedom from unwanted associations to force someone to provide services to advance a message he finds objectionable. And besides, only a moron would entrust his most important pictures or flowers to someone who didn't want to provide that service; only a suicidal fool would force his enemy to bake him a cake.

    Now, that all said, what exactly does this thread have to do with RKBA/OC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post

    Now, that all said, what exactly does this thread have to do with RKBA/OC?

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    I think it has to do with blatant hypocrisy. You can be gay and not get married. Getting married is a choice, like carrying a gun OC is a choice. Some people think that certain choices are impractical, immoral, stup!d, or whatever. They force businesses to condone a practice that they do not agree with while at the same time reverse course and say "business rights to standards blah blah" for the things they (politicians) don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
    I think it has to do with blatant hypocrisy. You can be gay and not get married. Getting married is a choice, like carrying a gun OC is a choice. Some people think that certain choices are impractical, immoral, stup!d, or whatever. They force businesses to condone a practice that they do not agree with while at the same time reverse course and say "business rights to standards blah blah" for the things they (politicians) don't like.
    With respect, your response needs mprovement.

    A particular group is seeking state/federal constitutional protection as an especially-protected group based on their vulnerability and the past history of discrimination. This has direct relationship to firearms owners and more specifically those who carry handguns in public for self defense and defense of family/innocent others who are subjected to the same (or worse) levels and intensity of discrimination. AFAIK the only discriminatory act RKAers have not been subjected to is lynching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
    I think it has to do with blatant hypocrisy. You can be gay and not get married. Getting married is a choice, like carrying a gun OC is a choice. Some people think that certain choices are impractical, immoral, stup!d, or whatever. They force businesses to condone a practice that they do not agree with while at the same time reverse course and say "business rights to standards blah blah" for the things they (politicians) don't like.
    No hypocrisy at all.

    First of all, I don't think any business owner should be required to render services in the promotion of OC/RKBA contrary to his desires. If a baker doesn't want to cater the GOA/NRA convention, if a printer or ad agency doesn't want VCDL as a client, if a private convention center doesn't want to rent space for a hunting or self-defense expo, I'll defend their right not to promote a message they find offensive.

    OTOH, if the owner of a business wants to exclude me from his business simply because I happen to have a legally carried handgun, in a holster, I will consider that no less offensive than if he refuses service to blacks, homosexuals, Catholics, or Irish.

    This is exactly the same standard I apply to homosexual "weddings" and receptions and homosexual individuals.

    Which is not to say that I personally think anti-discrimination laws are proper in the first place. It is just that so long as they do exist, they should apply to all of us including gun owners rather than to a few, select, politically favored groups, while also recognizing the material difference between general goods and services--the proverbial lunch counter--and actually promoting a message or associating with an event one finds offensive.

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