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    Go Fund Me campaign to get guns back from Sheriff

    Campaign here:

    http://www.gofundme.com/qv3wa4

    Details of the issue here:

    http://m.tribdem.com/news/cambria-co....html?mode=jqm

    The plan is to get Prince Law to help in identifying the victim of this outragous fee and to get the money to the guy to either pay the fee or reimburse him for paying the fee.

    Thanks for looking.
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    I think a female and a judge need to pay for it.
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    Small claims suit and push for a charge of false reporting.

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    If we can identify the guy there is an attorney who is willing to represent him pro bono - will only charge actual expenses.

    So yes, all the stuff all y'all say ought to happen possibly might happen. But in the meantime the guy needs to get his guns back.

    stay safe.
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    The media reporter might have some knowledge as to his identity and be convinced to have him contact you.

    Other than that, a FOIA to the sheriff might be the only route. Don't know if there would be any reason to deny it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The media reporter might have some knowledge as to his identity and be convinced to have him contact you.

    Other than that, a FOIA to the sheriff might be the only route. Don't know if there would be any reason to deny it.
    The reporter is withholding the identity.

    Need someone on the ground to search SO/court records. The atttorney may consider sending someone to do that.

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    Wonder if anyone from pafoa is aware or involved in any way, particularly Cambria County.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/cambria-47/

    I have put the question out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Wonder if anyone from pafoa is aware or involved in any way, particularly Cambria County.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/cambria-47/

    I have put the question out there.
    Please go back to PAFOA and edit your post. There is an attorney who is considering what your post suggests he is committed to doing. And you might also remove mention of the law firm until a committment is made.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Please go back to PAFOA and edit your post. There is an attorney who is considering what your post suggests he is committed to doing. And you might also remove mention of the law firm until a committment is made.

    Thanks.

    stay safe.
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    Instead of looking for a lawyer who will work for free or paying the fees charged by the Sheriff, how about funding a political campaign to unelect the Sheriff. Nothing gets a politician's attention like the prospect of being recalled or unelected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    Instead of looking for a lawyer who will work for free or paying the fees charged by the Sheriff, how about funding a political campaign to unelect the Sheriff. Nothing gets a politician's attention like the prospect of being recalled or unelected.
    check your PMs
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    I was thinking (dangerous I know) but is there a state law that permits the sheriff to charge for this??

    To my way of thinking the sheriff can not go about charging "fees" willy nilly or what is to stop him from charging fees just to walk in his office or charging $1,000 for a CCW or any danged thing else he wants. Most things for which a local government charges for (like I just had to have VIN verification to get a new title because of moving to different state) are specified by state law. The state sets how much the sheriff can charge for a CCW processing my VIN verification fee was set by the state etc.

    If there is no state law permitting this "firearm processing" fee then it is illegal, and I would thing opens the way for a "color of law" action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    If there is no state law permitting this "firearm processing" fee then it is illegal, and I would thing opens the way for a "color of law" action.
    Maybe after the guy gets his guns back.

    Frustratingly, not too many folks seem concerned about that.

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    I know a guy who, in a town in the mountains of Virginia, was arrested for Grand Larceny on a Sunday morning. He had the receipt - with his name and card number on the receipt - from when he bought the camera that the report said he stole. Guess who told the cops he stole the camera? Ex ol' lady. The guy still went to jail.
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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I know a guy who, in a town in the mountains of Virginia, was arrested for Grand Larceny on a Sunday morning. He had the receipt - with his name and card number on the receipt - from when he bought the camera that the report said he stole. Guess who told the cops he stole the camera? Ex ol' lady. The guy still went to jail.
    Bad cops. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I know a guy who, in a town in the mountains of Virginia, was arrested for Grand Larceny on a Sunday morning. He had the receipt - with his name and card number on the receipt - from when he bought the camera that the report said he stole. Guess who told the cops he stole the camera? Ex ol' lady. The guy still went to jail.
    While the generalities may be accurate, I seriously doubt that "his name and card number" were on the receipt.

    He went to jail (got the ride), but was he convicted and regarding larceny from whom - his ex or the store?

    I could envision a problem if she claimed the camera was a gift to her and that he stole it after they were separated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
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    I could envision a problem if she claimed the camera was a gift to her and that he stole it after they were separated.
    I could claim that a vehicle that you "store" in your driveway, with your name and "card" number on the receipt" was a gift from me and you refuse to return it me, the one who gave it to you as a gift...that is.
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    Unless and until somebody hears from this guy or his attorney, we are just shooting blanks in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    While the generalities may be accurate, I seriously doubt that "his name and card number" were on the receipt.

    He went to jail (got the ride), but was he convicted and regarding larceny from whom - his ex or the store?

    I could envision a problem if she claimed the camera was a gift to her and that he stole it after they were separated.
    His name and card number were most definitely on the receipt. He was not convicted. Charges were dropped by the ex-gf after she realized she could get in trouble for what she'd done. He would rather get out of the situation free and clear than wrap up time and effort into prolonging having her in his life. Funny, she actually was claiming that it was a gift. She was not aware that he was a step ahead and kept the receipt. Once she became aware the charges were dropped.

    I know because the person was me, and so was the attorney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    His name and card number were most definitely on the receipt. He was not convicted. Charges were dropped by the ex-gf after she realized she could get in trouble for what she'd done. He would rather get out of the situation free and clear than wrap up time and effort into prolonging having her in his life. Funny, she actually was claiming that it was a gift. She was not aware that he was a step ahead and kept the receipt. Once she became aware the charges were dropped.

    I know because the person was me, and so was the attorney.
    While off topic for this thread, we'll have to talk more about this later. Interesting.

    I have never seen either the name or card number (in full) on a receipt. Not ever. Such would present a serious potential breach of security. Reference is generally made to the store, time/date stamp and last 4 digits of card number along with the items purchased. Back up detail is available from the card company.

    Won't say this hasn't been done, but I would not have a card that permitted that.
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    If I remember correctly, it was something along the lines of "First initial, Last initialXXXXX - card # XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-1234" So there were identifying digits and letters, but not the full name or number.

    I'm looking at a receipt from Colonial Shooting Academy from last week when I went shooting and it has my entire first and last name on it and under my name it reads "VISA # 1XXXXXXXXXXX1234" (not the actual number, for internet's sake.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    While off topic for this thread, we'll have to talk more about this later. Interesting.

    I have never seen either the name or card number (in full) on a receipt. Not ever. Such would present a serious potential breach of security. Reference is generally made to the store, time/date stamp and last 4 digits of card number along with the items purchased. Back up detail is available from the card company.

    Won't say this hasn't been done, but I would not have a card that permitted that.
    It is not the card, it is the merchant's equipment. More data at one retailer, less data at another retailer. You may want to review every card receipt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    If I remember correctly, it was something along the lines of "First initial, Last initialXXXXX - card # XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-1234" So there were identifying digits and letters, but not the full name or number.

    I'm looking at a receipt from Colonial Shooting Academy from last week when I went shooting and it has my entire first and last name on it and under my name it reads "VISA # 1XXXXXXXXXXX1234" (not the actual number, for internet's sake.)
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    It is not the card, it is the merchant's equipment. More data at one retailer, less data at another retailer. You may want to review every card receipt.
    I understand the point(s), but again we are getting too far off topic for this thread.
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    You know if a Citizen tried this **** it would be called theft and extortion.
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    Slightly off topic: that any officer would participate in such an event, and still consider themselves a supporter of the 2A sickens me.
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