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    LEO uses vehicle as weapon

    An Arizona police department released video Tuesday showing a police officer using a car to ram an armed suspect in February.

    Valencia is jailed on 11 counts that include armed robbery, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, arson, burglary, shoplifting and theft. He is being held at the Pima County Jail.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-co...-shows-n341636
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    copy + pasted from another thread

    One on hand you've got a psycho cop willing to mow someone down with his car. On the other hand, the guy was apparently a very dangerous, violent, armed individual who was also likely a psycho. Even in another thread we have covered how TN v. Garner allows deadly force when apprehending a suspect who basically fits this guy's description to a T. Personally, I don't feel good about the fact that this is acceptable - and it seems cruel and unusual, but legally is it really a crime?

    Would the alternative have been safer or more humane - the alternative probably being gunfight in a residential area? It's just hard for me to lump in the vehicular assault case with these unarmed people being shot to death. Is it disturbing nonetheless? Absolutely.

    Also, if the guy was thinking of killing people and likely police officers, how did this not save lives?

    Just trying to play devil's advocate here since I usually take such a hard line on these issues.
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    I wish Darren Wilson had used his vehicle, but then I believe he was incompetent as a police officer.

    All he had to do was drive away when Brown allegedly attacked him.
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    My reason for posting this was more to point out (remind) that anything can be used as a weapon - guess I didn't make that clear.

    Not attacking or defending any of the parties to the event.
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    Maybe the tail-end of the other thread can be moved here? They're sorta related, but it might be better for each thread to be separate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    Okay, that's funny...but don't see that anything like that applies here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    I think if you play it back with the right audio filter I think you can actually here the cop saying it,,..
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    the guy stole a weapon, then went about the hood shooting it!
    so, what IF he shot into your house and hit your kid? (hypothetical question....not an attack on you!)
    what IF?................ Put your favorite scenario here.

    The LEO went home safe and sound and put an end to the criminal activity.
    I have NO PROBLEMS with that.
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