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    Officer commended for showing restraint

    If you ask me he simply showed his character as a war veteran who earned a Purple Heart, and as an alpha male with a functioning brain. Much respect to this man.

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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Officer commended for showing restraint

    In the end no one died in this confrontation. Good to see. The accused will get his day in court and if found guilty will pay for his crimes. That's how the system is supposed to work, not de facto executions in the street by policemen. As a side note the body cam was a true asset in showing all that happened, so for those officers who seem to be afraid of wearing one, the question is why?
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    Very bad precedent the good officer has set...or not.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    Each of these situations is different from each other even through they have a lot of similarities.

    Having people tell you they want you to shoot them isn't that uncommon, nor really common I had three in my 33 years on the job.

    I shot none of them why because they were unarmed and didn't pose an immediate deadly threat. I also was highly trained in excellent physical condition and very sure of my abilities to handle the situation with out shooting.


    I am sure some, not all of these shootings, are because some ,not all are because the officers are not sure that they can handle the situation with out shooting.

    If you take an officer who has let their training, physical condition, skill levels slip or just their physical size IE and over weight or small officer. They have less options then one that is up on his game.

    But I also know of one case where the person making the claim shoot me should have been shot but wasn't until he killed one officer and crippled another. He was armed making threats and really wanted to commit suicide by cop.

    All these situations are highly volatile and each one different one can't be judge by what happen with another.

    I can tell you this that each one I handled if any of them would have pose an immediate deadly threat to me or other officers I would not of hesitated to use the proper amount of force to stop the threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Each of these situations is different from each other even through they have a lot of similarities.

    Having people tell you they want you to shoot them isn't that uncommon, nor really common I had three in my 33 years on the job.

    I shot none of them why because they were unarmed and didn't pose an immediate deadly threat. I also was highly trained in excellent physical condition and very sure of my abilities to handle the situation with out shooting.


    I am sure some, not all of these shootings, are because some ,not all are because the officers are not sure that they can handle the situation with out shooting.

    If you take an officer who has let their training, physical condition, skill levels slip or just their physical size IE and over weight or small officer. They have less options then one that is up on his game.

    But I also know of one case where the person making the claim shoot me should have been shot but wasn't until he killed one officer and crippled another. He was armed making threats and really wanted to commit suicide by cop.

    All these situations are highly volatile and each one different one can't be judge by what happen with another.

    I can tell you this that each one I handled if any of them would have pose an immediate deadly threat to me or other officers I would not of hesitated to use the proper amount of force to stop the threat.
    Preaching to the choir"...J-Q Public only knows "See, I told you, cops don't have to shoot anybody!"

    The cop should have shot the dude as he requested.

    The top cop is in a tough situation, he now has a cop who may not shoot a citizen if that is what he decides to do, and the other cops will be viewed in a different light if they chose a different response.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    In my career I did not expect praise or even notice for doing the right thing, but only my pay check and the opportunity to do more and better. I did have many critics commissioned to surveil my preparation, performance and properly kept records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    In my career I did not expect praise or even notice for doing the right thing, but only my pay check and the opportunity to do more and better. I did have many critics commissioned to surveil my preparation, performance and properly kept records.
    +1

    I don't praise my dog for not biting kids.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1

    I don't praise my dog for not biting kids.
    Having trained a lot of dogs praising them for doing good is the right thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Having trained a lot of dogs praising them for doing good is the right thing to do.
    Haha! +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    sometimes SVG the kids need to understand what happens when they touch the stove's burner...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Having trained a lot of dogs praising them for doing good is the right thing to do.
    How do you go about doing that praising an in action to a dog, unless that dog already has the propensity for violence?

    If that's the case it just may be time for new dogs.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    sometimes SVG the kids need to understand what happens when they touch the stove's burner...

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    Absolutely.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I wonder if I can get a commendation for showing restraint whenever I get called a F*g by idiots when I go for a walk in town.

    Giving a cop a commendation for showing restraint is like giving a cat a treat for c**pping in the litter box. I mean like, serious. GOOD FOR YOU! YOU DID YOUR JOB AND WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO! Here's an award.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    I wonder if I can get a commendation for showing restraint whenever I get called a F*g by idiots when I go for a walk in town.

    Giving a cop a commendation for showing restraint is like giving a cat a treat for c**pping in the litter box. I mean like, serious. GOOD FOR YOU! YOU DID YOUR JOB AND WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO! Here's an award.
    Agreed. I think the video is just an example for those who might be quick to pull the trigger to realize that just because you can shoot doesn't mean you should, or that you need to.

    Me personally, the hardest part would have been falling down while backpedaling. That being said, the perp didn't make any aggressive moves when he could have and while he had positioning, so the cop probably made the right call and realized that the perp was just posturing and probably didn't pose an immediate threat to his life. This soldier definitely has a set of big ones though, maybe too big. Haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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