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    How laws (gun?) are made in Georgia

    Atlanta, Ga. – An investigative team for an Atlanta television station WXIA, exposed massive government corruption when they found a secret meeting at a Georgia resort hotel held by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

    The stunning investigative report included video footage of corporate lobbyists and legislators admitting that the legislators are paid by the lobbyists to attend the events.


    Reporter Brendan Keefe attempted to gain entrance to the conference but was summarily denied access by ALEC staff and was subsequently escorted from the hotel, where Keefe was a paying guest.

    How can anyone continue to put faith in the state after realizing exactly how the corrupt legislative process truly works?

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    Remember a ruckus over ALEC - Dems/Unions are against it - shareholder issues/resolutions w public companies giving money to it. Board member is Paul Weyrich among others. Would expect they are working to preserve US capitalism values and Libs want to shut it down. Atlanta has such good schools with all the teachers cheating on standardized tests to get bonuses. Corrupt city and school government controlled by Dems.


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    No corruption, just legal lobbying

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Atlanta, Ga. – An investigative team for an Atlanta television station WXIA, exposed massive government corruption when they found a secret meeting at a Georgia resort hotel held by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

    The stunning investigative report included video footage of corporate lobbyists and legislators admitting that the legislators are paid by the lobbyists to attend the events.


    Reporter Brendan Keefe attempted to gain entrance to the conference but was summarily denied access by ALEC staff and was subsequently escorted from the hotel, where Keefe was a paying guest.

    How can anyone continue to put faith in the state after realizing exactly how the corrupt legislative process truly works?

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/rea...tel-infuriate/
    The reporter did not even suggest that there was anything illegal going on. They just do not like the lobbyist group viewpoint. Just local reporters trying to bully legislators to stop their opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    The reporter did not even suggest that there was anything illegal going on. They just do not like the lobbyist group viewpoint. Just local reporters trying to bully legislators to stop their opposition.
    Appears to not only be illegal, but likely immoral and fattening too.
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    It does not sound like there was a quorum present

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    Appears to not only be illegal, but likely immoral and fattening too.
    http://www.gfaf.org/open-meetings-act/
    A quorum is required to be illegal under the open meeting law.

    Open meeting laws have been designed to prevent lawmakers from conducting legislative business out of the view of voters, not to prevent lobbying/education of legislators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    A quorum is required to be illegal under the open meeting law.

    Open meeting laws have been designed to prevent lawmakers from conducting legislative business out of the view of voters, not to prevent lobbying/education of legislators.
    So two separate meetings on the same subject/agenda, each with less than a quorem, but whose total exceeds a quorem is only educational.......got it. That kind of legislative business is monkey business.
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    That is called a walking-quorum, which legality depends on the details of the jurisdiction's statutes.

    3. Walking quorums.
    The requirements of the open meetings law also extend to walking quorums. A "walking quorum" is a
    series of gatherings among separate groups of members of a governmental body, each less than quorum size, who agree, tacitly or explicitly, to act uniformly in sufficient number to reach a quorum. Showers, 135 Wis. 2d at 92, quoting Conta, 71 Wis. 2d at 687. In Conta, the Court recognized the danger that a walking quorum may produce a predetermined outcome and thus render the publicly-held meeting a mere formality. Conta, 71 Wis. 2d at 685-88. The Court commented that any attempt to avoid the appearance of a "meeting" through use of a walking quorum is subject to prosecution under the open meetings law. Conta, 71 Wis. 2d at 687. The
    requirements of the open meetings law thus cannot be circumvented by using an agent or surrogate to poll the
    members of governmental bodies through a series of individual contacts. Such a circumvention "almost
    certainly" violates the open meetings law. Clifford Correspondence, April 28, 1986; see also Herbst
    Correspondence, July 16, 2008 (use of administrative staff to individually poll a quorum of members regarding
    how they would vote on a proposed motion at a future meeting is a prohibited walking quorum).
    The essential feature of a "walking quorum" is the element of agreement among members of a body to act
    uniformly in sufficient numbers to reach a quorum. Where there is no such express or tacit agreement, exchanges
    among separate groups of members may take place without violating the open meetings law. The signing, by
    members of a body, of a document asking that a subject be placed on the agenda of an upcoming meeting thus
    does not constitute a "walking quorum" where the signers have not engaged in substantive discussion or agreed
    on a uniform course of action regarding the proposed subject. Kay Correspondence, April 25, 2007; Kittleson
    Correspondence, June 13, 2007. In contrast, where a majority of members of a body sign a document that
    expressly commits them to a future course of action, a court could find a walking quorum violation. Huff
    Correspondence, January 15,2008; see also 1-01-10, January 25,2010 (use of email voting to decide matters fits
    the definition ofa "walking quorum" violation of the open meetings law).
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    If they are individually accepting money, services, gifts for votes, then it is clearly illegal. It is called bribing. They can make contributions to campaigns, make suggestions, but they cannot offer golf trips, parties, sexual favors, gifts to any public official to vote on specific legislation.

    GS is on the mark, this is not only disgusting, but very much illegal. Though I am sure they will not be prosecuted.
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    Ok - now for an update on what really happened - crooked lefty news reporter making up bull-durham report of criminal conservative politicians.

    Turns out ALEC is aboveboard in its dealings.


    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/06...-alec-meeting/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Reporter Brendan Keefe attempted to gain entrance to the conference but was summarily denied access by ALEC staff and was subsequently escorted from the hotel, where Keefe was a paying ]
    Press is invited to attend ALEC functions, but you have to register in advance. This reporter registered in hotel under an assumed name, did not register, then snuck his camera crew into the meeting rooms.

    The one legislator they interviewed was a liberal GA democrat. Reporter dId not mention that there is a liberal group similar to ALEC that does the same things - information for citizen legislators about best practices and developments in law.


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    Newest article on fraud of Brendan Keefe during sweeps rating week partisanship/reportage:

    http://www.redstate.com/2015/06/07/a...conservatives/


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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Newest article on fraud of Brendan Keefe during sweeps rating week partisanship/reportage:

    http://www.redstate.com/2015/06/07/a...conservatives/


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